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Old 10-05-2012, 03:14 PM   #151 (permalink)
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i believe that people as far gone as Calvary are simply suffering from mental illness.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:20 PM   #152 (permalink)
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What kind of lame test is this? Like God said, "I don't think you love me enough, take your son and kill him....April Fools!!!" God or not, who does this? Jim Jones?

Or Job's trials, which are a result of God making a bet with Satan. Or the aforementioned killing of everyone on the planet except Noah and his family. Or in Genesis where they kill off an entire town after first convincing them to circumcise themselves in accordance with god's law. Or, or, or, or, etc.

The bible makes perfect sense as a series of morality tales, and as a reflection of the morals of the time. But it is interesting that at no point in the biblical times does the bible lead society in terms of morality. Even Jesus talked about slavery the way we'd talk about commuting to work. The tale of the Good Samaritan is an incredible exercise in bigotry. Might as well call it "The Smart Nigger" (apologies for use of that word) because it's the same sentiment. In fact our secular society right now holds us to an ethical standard that is far higher than anything the bible ever promoted.

The problem with insisting that the bible be taken literally is that you then force god into the mold of the mean-spirited, psychotic little troll portrayed in the pages thereof. At least if you view the bible as a human attempt to describe the unknowable, you can claim that god was filtered through the sensibilities of the time.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:27 PM   #153 (permalink)
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I respect peoples belief in religion at least they all believe in something wonderful happening at the end of their lives as opposed to the non-believers who only look forward to becoming worm food and nothingness when we keel over.

"I know that I know nothing" (Socrates)

I never thought that. We are energy (beings) experiencing a human body...just without any deity involved. Least of all a vengeful one.
At least that's what I think at this point in time. But I would never be so presumptuous to tell you what you should think and why. It's a personal journey.
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Or Job's trials, which are a result of God making a bet with Satan. Or the aforementioned killing of everyone on the planet except Noah and his family. Or in Genesis where they kill off an entire town after first convincing them to circumcise themselves in accordance with god's law. Or, or, or, or, etc.

The problem with insisting that the bible be taken literally is that you then force god into the mold of the mean-spirited, psychotic little troll portrayed in the pages thereof. At least if you view the bible as a human attempt to describe the unknowable, you can claim that god was filtered through the sensibilities of the time.
You are right, many many other stories besides the Abraham one, but that is the one for me that got me thinking way back when I was a kid going to church every sunday with the parents.

Do you think that maybe the bible and all its stories was written to control the people into thinking that bad things would happen to you if you don't obey laws, maybe it was a way for Kings to keep law and order within the realm of their Kingdoms like King James.
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Do you think that maybe the bible and all its stories was written to control the people into thinking that bad things would happen to you if you don't obey laws, maybe it was a way for Kings to keep law and order within the realm of their Kingdoms like King James.
ummmmmmm, ya think?
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ummmmmmm, ya think?
was about to write exactly the same....
How come that's not obvious to more people? HOW could it be more obvious?
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ummmmmmm, ya think?
Ok,ok,ok it's obvious. Alright, alright. Jesus. Yes. What? What? What? Yes. Jesus. What? Yes! What? Well you said what. What? Nothing.


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I'm actually slightly astonished at just how ignorant some of the arguments put forward in this thread are. Some well meaning, perhaps, but misguided never the less. Some just down right retarded. I guess the problem is that with religion, ignorance is often held to a virtue of sorts.

Themes that come up time and time again are:
  • Cherry picking so called 'facts' (often wrong or misunderstood) that appear to support their argument and dismissing any proof that doesn't fit.
  • Cherry picking the bits in the bible that are 'good'. (The other bits are clearly not meant to be taken seriously right? How is it that you know rape is not acceptable, even if you marry the victim and pay off the father? (like the bible tells you in Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
  • The "I can't believe it could happen like that so it must be God". Well educate yourself instead then rather than broadcasting your ignorance.

The classics come out time and time again. There are probably more but if I re-read the thread I think I'd end up crying.

Hey I don't really care what you believe (provided you don't do me any harm because of your beliefs) it just makes me genuinely sad to see this stuff.

I applaud those who have taken the time to educate themselves and that have the confidence to continually challenge their own beliefs. A trait generally lacking in the religious mind

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Theists and specifically, the 6,000 year Creationist love the point out tha so called flaws with Carbon 14 because it has a very short half life. What they fail to point out is that Geologists already know this and don`t use C14 to date things older than about 50,000 years old. They use the same principles used with C14 with other elements.

Because the half-life of carbon-14 is 5,700 years, it is only reliable for dating objects up to about 60,000 years old. However, the principle of carbon-14 dating applies to other isotopes as well. Potassium-40 is another radioactive element naturally found in your body and has a half-life of 1.3 billion years. Other useful radioisotopes for radioactive dating include Uranium -235 (half-life = 704 million years), Uranium -238 (half-life = 4.5 billion years), Thorium-232 (half-life = 14 billion years) and Rubidium-87 (half-life = 49 billion years).
The use of various radioisotopes allows the dating of biological and geological samples with a high degree of accuracy. However, radioisotope dating may not work so well in the future. Anything that dies after the 1940s, when Nuclear bombs, nuclear reactors and open-air nuclear tests started changing things, will be harder to date precisely.

The theists are being completely misleading with these claims from "scientists" about the folly of radio carbon dating by conveniently omitting the fact that dating is also done with other elements with far greater half lives.
And for those of you that don't believe in radiocarbon dating, perhaps you'd be interested to know that it calibrates perfectly to the Dendrochronological clock (that stretches back some 11,000 years)...
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backstop and sabatoa - what about evolution? do you believe that humans and chimpanzees both evolved from a common ancestor?

not trying to "shut you guys up" but this is a powerful obsevation:
Yup, good one. Necessary but not sufficient, good try though. Could we have both evolved from the same ancestor? Sure. Did we? Weeeeell now... need to have proof that said common ancestor really existed. In my business it's what is known as "two-factor authentication".

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