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Old 10-06-2012, 01:37 PM   #201 (permalink)
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don't get me wrong, i'm not judging anyone. I worry about me and let others worry about their own situation. I've been to gay clubs with my gay friends (no homo) and don't really think much about it.
now that is exactly how i feel.
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I just refuse to judge homosexuals. They have it hard enough as it is. I will let them decide whether it is a sin or not. I'm just not going there.
Yeah literally and figuratively.

Anyway we all believe what we believe and there's nothing anyone else can do or say about that no matter how many credible examples and facts are presented. Changing one's belief system is basically changing one's life, who their friends are, their daily routine, their family life. It's a huge huge step that most are unwilling to take.

At least we all can agree on one thing... Snowboarding!!!!
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First, don't conflate literal creationism with christianity. There are hundreds of millions of xians out there who believe in JC just as fervently as you but don't believe in a 6000 year old Earth. I double damn dare you to declare publicly on this forum that they will go to hell for that. No? Didn't think so. There are fundamentalists who will happily make that declaration, but to really express my opinion of them I'd have to hit up BurtonAvenger for advice.

Second, you propose as an alternative believing in a deity who has always been there. How is that better? It's just a cop-out. "I don't understand it, so goddidit." Speaking of which, it's interesting to note that generally speaking the less people understand about the science involved, the more incredulous they are, and the more they become educated about the subject, the more reasonable it becomes. Shouldn't that indicate to you that the problem isn't with the universe, it's with you?

Third, the thing about the secularist belief is that it is testable and makes predictions. And it passes those tests. Whereas xianity as failed every objective test you could come up with, including the most basic test of actually producing any evidence, anything at all, that a deity of any kind exists.

Lastly, that comment "which we still are currently not 100% sure how it works". Don't go there. That sounds at surface like a good argument for you, but the god of the gaps argument will get you smooshed. It's essentially painting yourself into a corner.
I dont believe that if they dont believe the earth is 6,000 years they are going to hell. If you have read the Bible then you know the only thing Jesus says we need for salvation is faith in him and to be baptized.

Your second point is not true. There are plenty people more educated than me who dont believe in Darwins theories.
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Those scientists for example, so please dont act like all scientists accept the evolutionary theory.

Thirdly please dont say evolution is a science that has been tested and proven. Unless you or me was actually there when all this happen it is not testable. And please don't use adaption as a point to try to prove evolution is testable, becaue we don't see a change of species.

And by the way you think sound like you think scientist that believe in evolution are unbiased and aren't trying to push their own agendas. Just look at examples of "evolution" that we have found to be hoaxes.

http://www.discovery.org/articleFile...fTheFakest.pdf
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What really burns my butt are the charities. While secular charities that (for instance) feed the poor will just feed the poor, xian charities will feed you if you sit through a sermon or a prayer or some such. That's not charity, that's a business deal. Not illegal or even really immoral, but not something I'd consider that you could take a stance of moral superiority on.
Dude stop basing all christian charities off the ones that you know. There are many charities that don't do any more than pass out food and then tell them to check out their church.

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Well I'm pretty disgusted you think rape is acceptable then. Shame on you.
When did i ever say I thought rape was acceptable?

You missed posting the verse before it.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."
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i would just like to state that i think that groups that seek to use snowboarding as a tool to lure children into their cult of hatred and intolerance are disgusting, reprehensible, and predatory - and i would personally punch you in the face for trying to hijack the sport i grew up with for your religious gains.

fuck. you.
We don't use it as a tool to lure children into Christianity. Most of the sfc's that I have seen mostly work with college age kids. Whats wrong that we would present our beliefs and then let people make their own decisions? With this thinking you could say that teaching evolution as a fact an not a theory is doing the same. If you ever see me id more than glad to let you punch me in the face.

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When did i ever say I thought rape was acceptable?

You missed posting the verse before it.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."
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"First, the Mosaic Law is hardly about letting a rapist off easy. The consequence for raping a woman engaged to be married was stoning (Deuteronomy 22:25). If the woman was not engaged, the rapist was spared for the sake of the woman’s security. Having lost her virginity, she would have been deemed undesirable for marriage—and in the culture of the day, a woman without a father or husband to provide for her would be subject to a life of abject poverty, destitution, and social ostracism. As such, the rapist was compelled to provide for the rape victim for as long as he lived. Thus, far from barbaric, the law was a cultural means of protection and provision.

Furthermore, there was precedent under the Mosaic Law for the victimized woman not to marry the victimizer if her father determined that she could be provided for in a more suitable manner (Exodus 22:16–17). Thus, the law was not designed to force the rape victim into an unbearable marriage, but to secure her future and that of her children."

How could the Bible command a rape victim to marry her rapist? | CRI
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When did i ever say I thought rape was acceptable?

You missed posting the verse before it.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."
Well you did say you believe the old testament didn't you? I guess the bible can be a little contradictory, can you clarify under what circumstances is is acceptable then? Because in Deuteronomy 22:23-24 it clearly states:

"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbours wife"


But really I'd be much more interested to see you respond to some of the points you have conspicuously avoided responding to such as overwhelming evidence again your young earth theory. Please don't post more "plenty of clever people think links" I would like you to explain your understanding and evidence against the fact that we can we can prove the earth's age as being older than 6000 years (in reality billions of years old) using several distinct, repeatable and congruent methods. Start with Dendrochronology please...

Then when you are done with that perhaps you would be happy to discuss with us why your so called 'intelligent' designer did such an embarrassingly incompetent job with his 'designs'. 'Designs' that just so happen to exactly match what you would expect to see as a result of evolution..

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Did you read my second post below that one? It explains why.
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