I really didn't think you do. You don't strkie me as that type.
Im glad I dont
Which is why I was very careful to put the word "generally" in my statement. I know there are exceptions. I also know that all these exceptions were xians before they were scientists, so they started out knowing what side they wanted to take.
On side-note, I understand you don't believe in Christianity but i find it offensive that you purposely call us xians. Please respect my and other's views and call us by name as Christians. I don't use any slang when referring to atheists and i expect the same respect, nor have I once poked fun at your intelligence. (not saying you have, just some others in the forum) Im up for debate but not going to take insults for my beliefs.
To your main point, there are also many scientists who were atheist before they studied science so they too knew what side they wanted to take. Its impossible to be unbiased. There are also many example of those who found faith in Christ after
they began studying such as CS Lewis, Lee Strobel, (and although hes not a christian) Anthony Flew.
Sorry, I've already explained testability, as has a video in this thread. Evolution is testable, has been tested, and has passed. Theism is also testable, has been tested (by actual xians in one case that I know of) and has failed.
Actually unless you can reproduce another functioning planet that was created without any intelligent influence then you cannot say that evolution as Darwin theory is testable.
And how do you know about those fakes (and mistakes)? Was it xians that unmasked them? Nope. It was scientists. How do xians know to make hay out of the "fine tuning" problem? It's not like the xians have mathmaticians on staff. It's scientists. That's something called "intellectual honesty". Scientists will readily admit when there's a problem with a theory. Scientists will enthusiastically unmask a hoax or mistake by another scientist, because science is incredibly competitive. You don't make a name for yourself by agreeing with someone else. You make a name for yourself first by coming up with a new theory that holds water, or second by punching holes in another scientist's theory. All scientific theories have gone through this gauntlet, whether we're talking biology, astronomy, physics, electronics, geology, or whatever. The current version of evolutionary theory has not
been around since darwin - not even close - because scientists kept finding problems and figuring out solutions. You might say Evolutionary theory has evolved
. Evolutionary theory exists
because theistic "theories" failed this gauntlet right out of the gate.
Funny that these hoaxes have been presented as facts and are still used as examples of evolution today in textbooks. And im actually not sure if they weren't discovered by Christians or not I have not done enough research to know that. I honestly don't believe that someone who believed in evolution would go out of their way to try to discredit what another evolutionary scientist has published, why would they?
Last as stated above I am done debating my view over a snowboarding forum on the internet when it is clear I am in the minority of posters here. A fair debate would be one on one but this has turned in to me having to answer alot more questions than each person who believes in evolution. Im not a science major and came to show that there are those who have majored and are much wiser than me, and believe in intelligent design and have a problem with evolution.
For those that wanted me to sit here and list all the reasons for my faith I don't have time do go back and forth but I can give you a few quick reasons for why I believe what I do.
-I look at the whole of creation and the improbability of it forming without a creator and can clearly see design. The order of the solar system, the complexity of the human body, the wonders of how life can be sustained on earth and see God.
- I have seen God's work in my life and the lives of others.
-I have seen the love of Christ change people and drive people to love and have compassion towards others.
-I look at the reading of Paul and see how much sense it makes when viewing the world around me.
-Another big thing for me is the fact that all the disciples of Jesus suffered so much and most were killed for what they preached but they went about claiming they had seen Jesus rise from the dead and were firsthand witnesses of his death. I'm sorry but it takes alot for me to believe that the disciples of Jesus would bear multiple beating and torture and not admit they had made it up even unto death.
-I see the numerous prophecies that Jesus fulfilled, even though he did not fulfill them as expected. (I mean by this is the Jews were looking for someone to ride in as a king and rule the earth)
Messianic Prophecies (WebBible
-I see it hard to believe that man would invent a religion that condemns himself (not to mention the fact that Bible does not allow someone to "work" their way to heaven)
"9What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
-There are more reasons but that's as far as I'm going to go, and I'm finished debating
Also we know that Jesus claimed he was going to rise from the dead. The Romans knew this as well and guarded his tomb. If Jesus had truly not raised from the dead you had better believe when the Romans and Jews heard that people were claiming he rose from the dead, they would go and show his body to everyone squashing any form of Christianity we see today because it is all reliant upon his resurrection. But what happened is even far more fascinating, people were claiming to have seen him risen! The Bible says more than 500 people saw him! Then look at the persecution the early Christian church went through! Peter was even crucified upside down and other Christians were tortured but people would not be silent. How would a bunch of apostles who hid after Jesus was crucified for fear of execution turn into fearless preachers who preached that Jesus had risen even to the point of death?
I challenge all of you to watch this video, and see what you think.
The Case for Christ
This video is made by a former atheist who did not find God until examine the evidence and now is a Christian apologist.