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Old 10-08-2012, 06:59 PM   #271 (permalink)
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Didn't know that! And being a Roman I should. ( born and lived there until '99)
Well then you'd be really suprised at some of the stuff they'd do. For instance, when subduing a town (or a country) it was the legionaire's DUTY to rape and pillage -- especially rape. This had the effect of muddying the genetic (and therefore cultural) identity of the defeated people. After all, many of your chidren are now part roman. What are you gonna do, kill them?

One theory about the virgin birth myth is that disciples attempted to explain away Mary's pregnancy before she was married (normally a stoning offence) was that her village had been, um, romanized. On this basis there would be too many pregnant unwed girls for the locals to be able to stomach stoning them all.

Guess what that makes Jesus?
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:47 PM   #272 (permalink)
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You appear to be an atheist in that case. Not even Dawkins will say there definitely isn't a god because no one can prove there isn't. But with zero evidence for the existence of a god, the possibility is so incredibly unlikely as to be as good as certain.

The argument is: I might tell you there was a teapot circling the sun. And no matter how unlikely that would be to be true, or how many people believe there is or isn't there is absolutely no way anyone could prove there isn't.

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That is a funny yet true analogy!

Whatever religion is dying off I believe slowly Which is a good thing(I think it separates cultures too much among other reasons) but damn the USA seems to be behind the times a little.. seems like they love them some jesus in the mainstream media at least. It also seems to be used as a controlling tactic to get people on their side in politics and stuff, kinda like brainwashing. EVERYONE think for yourselves, dont let your beliefs be based on a outdated book. If there was a god I think he would have contacted us in some way already...

I would bet in about 100 years or maybe longer religious people will be looked at like crazys.. And Im saying this coming from a christian family(not that my parents are too deep into it)...

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Old 10-08-2012, 08:51 PM   #273 (permalink)
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EVERYONE think for yourselves
Pretty sound advice.


Btw, this is cool 100+million+year+old-spider-eating-a-wasp

The comments are amusing - one guy says the fact that the spider and wasp look similar to today's versions that it disproves evolution, lol.
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haha yeah i happened to see that spider wasp thing on another site earlier today. Very cool indeed
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Guess what that makes Jesus?
Well from what I can tell, it seems like he was someone we should all try to be more like.
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awesome!

its so much easier to memorize than the bible too!!

thats what gay dinosaurs get! - the aids!
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:12 PM   #278 (permalink)
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There's no body to produce because if the Romans were true to form on this crucifixion (and no reason why they would have done different), then Jesus' body would have been thrown into a lime pit and disolved. This was done as regular policy in order to deprive the relatives of the body for any burial rituals.
Did some quick study and while by no means and expert you need to also look at the Jewish traditions. Just from quick searching I found a quick except from Josephus about the Jews burying those crucified so the Biblical account of Josheph of Arimathea seems to defiantly be plausible.

"Jewish War 4: Chapter 5
Josephus reports on the Jewish custom of taking down the bodies of those crucified by the Romans during the Great Revolt and burying them, if permitted, before sundown. This was in response to the Torah Mitzvah found in Deuteronomy 21:22-23: "When someone is convictged of a crime punishable by death and is executed, and yo9u hang him on a tree, his corpse must not remain all night upon the tree; you shall bury him that same day, for anyone hung on a tree is under God's curse."
2. But the rage of the Idumeans was not satiated by these slaughters; but they now betook themselves to the city, and plundered every house, and slew every one they met; and for the other multitude, they esteemed it needless to go on with killing them, but they sought for the high priests, and the generality went with the greatest zeal against them; and as soon as they caught them they slew them, and then standing upon their dead bodies, in way of jest, upbraided Ananus with his kindness to the people, and Jesus with his speech made to them from the wall. Nay, they proceeded to that degree of impiety, as to cast away their dead bodies without burial, although the Jews used to take so much care of the burial of men, that they took down those that were condemned and crucified, and buried them before the going down of the sun. I should not mistake if I said that the death of Ananus was the beginning of the destruction of the city, and that from this very day may be dated the overthrow of her wall, and the ruin of her affairs, whereon they saw their high priest, and the procurer of their preservation, slain in the midst of their city."

Josephus' References to Crucifixion


From that website.


I am going to do a little more research on this topic and post if I find anything else.




Also to note that even Paul acknowledged Jesus' burial.


"4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." Romans 6:4

And just off my own thinking you can conclude that Baptism was a staple even in the early Church. The Baptism symbolizes the burial and resurrection of Jesus. Do you really think the early apostles that were eyewitnesses of his death would do this if they had not seen him buried?

And as I have said in other posts, debating on the internet is going to go nowhere, and can go on forever. There are many other forums on the internet that are much suitable for debate where Christians much wiser than me can answer questions or critiques you have. I only got in this to show anyone who looks at these forums a creditable defense for Christianity. If people want to see more arguments I encourage them to check out
http://www.icr.org/
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
http://carm.org/
http://www.leestrobel.com/
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Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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Didn't want to leave off without answering you questions.

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One thing I've noticed is that you've responded quite selectively and steered well away from the more challenging points. Focusing the opinions of others and bible quotes as support. There have been lots of points to respond to so I'm not judging your reasons for this, I understand if you prefer to discus the ones you are more familiar with.
This is exactly right. The combo of so many questions to answer, and I only wanted to answer things that I am more familiar with, it would be unfair for me to answer topics I have no idea about. Thats why for most debate questions I have given links to those who are more knowledgeable and creditable than me.

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In particular I'm interested to know what your thought on the ageing the earth by means of dendrology are. And furthermore the complete absence of evidence for a global flood (specifically in the tree clock) within the last 11,000 years.
Im not familiar with dendrology so I cannot answer questions in that regard but I will probably look it up and read about it in the next couple days. And actually I dont see the complete absence for a global flood. I see the exact opposite. I posted two links a while ago that you may have missed.

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Geologic Evidences for the Genesis Flood - Answers in Genesis

The way fossils are formed can be argued for a flood with rapid burial being apparent in some cases. You must not look at the flood as just rain that filled the earth. The Bible says the fountains of the deep opened up, hinting that the flood was a catastrophic event where the ground burst open and buried many things.

Check out these fossils that suppose rapid burial

Caption from Answers in Genesis
"Figure 12—Many fish were buried alive and fossilized quickly, such as this fish “caught in the act” of eating its last meal. Photo courtesy of Dr. Andrew Snelling."


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"Figure 13—This female ichthyosaur, a marine reptile, was found fossilized at the moment of giving birth to her baby. Photo courtesy of Dr. Andrew Snelling."


But like I said I'm probably done, because I see this going on for a while, if you still would like to chat please pm me.
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