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CalvaryCougar

Wow...thank you!

I knew I said I was done replying but...
I really do appreciate this comment and those who have had civil discussions.

I just wanted to address those who think Christians must follow their beliefs blindly.

"When Paul and his companions had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that the Messiah had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah,” he said."
Acts 17:1-3

We can see that Paul used his brain to prove Jesus was who he said he was.
Peter also said in 1 Peter 3:15, one of my favorite verses,

"But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander."
1 Peter 3:15-16

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Slush Puppie

Ah now this raises a very interesting point (or several). And I won't argue with your statement I see I lot of wisdom there too - particularly in the picture painted from the sources from outside the church edited bible. His message seemed (to me) to be help out each other rather than worship god and expect him to take care of everything.

I don't need you to answer these but I'd like everyone to consider them in their own mind.

• Does that mean it's a requirement to believe in god to recognise and follow the good examples you see?
  
• Do the examples you see as being good in anyway mean there must be a god or the wisdom must have come from that god?
  
• What makes you know that the examples you see in Jesus are good and worth emulating? (Is it because the bible told you, or is it because you already have a built in sense of right and wrong and that allows you to recognise what you do and don't agree with?)
  
• If you didn't know about jesus, do you think your morals would be vastly different?
  
• Who are the other people you respect and emulate. Do you do so because a book or an organisation told you to?
  
• For all the good examples you see are there parts of the bible where you think the supposed word of god is actually a bit flaky and he could have easily given much better advice?
  

Slush Puppie

Unfortunately this type of logic (and I know this is the point you are making) is somehow inexplicably believed by some people.

I guess a lie is sometimes easy to believe if you really want it to be true.

Slush Puppie

Right on

In 2000 years time, I sincerely hope it's this that people read in their book of wisdom and follow. I just hope that they don't need to decide in a couple of hundred years that Lennon was the son of god in order to do so.

Slush Puppie

[QUOTE=CalvaryCougar;524585]Didn't want to leave off without answering you questions.



I more hope that you spend some time learning about them than answering them if I'm honest.



Wiki Dendrochronology will only take a few minutes to read.

A slightly more balanced view can be found on wikipedia Flood geology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Flood geology contradicts the scientific consensus in geology and paleontology, chemistry, biology, geophysics and stratigraphy,[4][5][6][7][8][9] and the scientific community considers it to be pseudoscience.[10][11]"

You may see this (I sometime see faces in clouds!) but the evidence is overwhelmingly against it. Unfortunately the examples you posted contain a just a handful of arguments that either do zero to prove the earth's age and which all have much more plausible explanations and or no real significance.

As posted before I personally don't particularly doubt a catastrophic flood of some kind in the earths history.

The story of noah in the bible is derived from the earlier Babylonian myth of Gilgamesh. The flood myth itself is a fairly global one. The latter doesn't make it automatically true but i'm inclined to think there is some basis in truth. As posted previously, far from adding weight to the biblical version of events it significantly erodes the authenticity of any single version.

And perhaps you might recognise the fallibility and problems of the other versions, if not your own?

However it could not have covered the earths surface entirely and is likely to be much older. There are many hypothesis for example Zanclean flood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and we may never know. Do some research if you want to form your own opinion on this.

What we do know, is that the earth categorically was not covered water 6000 years ago this can be verified in many different ways. Such as evidence that there were trees growing unaffected by such a flood at any point you can name in the last 11,000 years.

I'm also curious as to what all noah's animals would have eaten had they returned to a land devoid of plant life if that were true. And how the ones sensitive to climate or with specialised habitat requirements survived and returned to their homes across the planet. (A point raised by Dawkins in an earlier video). Assuming that the ark was indeed large enough to hold all 8.7 million know species (and the estimated additional 80% more we have yet to discover) in the first place. The beetle room alone must have been something with all 400,000 different species, I bet they took a long time to round up if nothing else

Ok what does this actually tell us? Only that these creatures died just before or as a result of being covered in sediment. Does it tell us anything about the circumstances of the time? No. What could explain it? Well there is no reason to suppose these creatures didn't die as a result of the actives with which they are engaged. However in themselves they are in no way proof of a global flood, or even a likely indication. They tell us something but not everything and certainly not enough to base a judgement on. You have to look far and wide for that. Thus far credible support had not been produced, yet an overwhelming amount contradicting it has.

Thanks for you're offer but I don't wish to pursue this over pm from my side, I don't feel any need to do so. I will however continue to challenge any assertions and information you choose to continue posting. Along with do my best to answer any questions you have (either here or on pm if you would prefer).

Donutz

Oh, absolutely. Also Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, etc etc. Funny how good people are good people regardless of religion, and bad people the same.

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Donutz

I'd like to see Noah trying to herd all those species of cats! Like Bill Cosby says, "this is one heck of a job for a man 600 years old!"

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Slush Puppie

Well put x2

gstboy

Heaven may be real afterall...

Proof of Heaven: A Doctor's Experience With the Afterlife

Plus credibility can only be enhanced with wearing a bowtie like that.

I like this statement, if the bible or any other religious text only contained these words I would buy into it because that's all I would really like a God to be.