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Fuck dude! Blah blah blah bitch bitching about bitching...
Stop smoking that horse shit, its eating holes in your brain......
Not sure why you feel the need to adlib and repost that, at 3 am, but I suspect it has something to do with all that truckers meth you've been railing... Or bathsalts or whatever the fuck.

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I can't outwit the guy so I've resorted to becoming an annoying twat...
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I actually thought you were joking...

If you believe that a higher power (i.e. god, allah, etc.) created the universe, but don't believe in a specific organized religion, that makes you a creationist which is still a religious belief!

We may be talking semantics here but saying god and religion aren't the same thing is like saying a car and an engine aren't the same thing. You're right but it's an integral part of the larger item, and generally useless without it's framework.
This is a very important point. I hope this is really understood.
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what do you mean, "resorted"?

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post #326 of 351 (permalink) Old 10-16-2012, 12:03 PM
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This is a very important point. I hope this is really understood.
I hope so too!

What I meant was that the name "god" is useless without a framework (whether organized or a belief in your own head) of his wants/needs/rules etc. which should be followed.

I was feeling much more philosophical last night so pardon my abrupt english this morning, but believing in a god means you believe in the general concept that the religions are based on. I understand what tylerkat and snowklinger are saying, that you can believe in god without participating in current religious practises, but it's believing in the the overall framework that is integral to believing in god in the first place.
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I hope so too!

What I meant was that the name "god" is useless without a framework (whether organized or a belief in your own head) of his wants/needs/rules etc. which should be followed.

I was feeling much more philosophical last night so pardon my abrupt english this morning, but believing in a god means you believe in the general concept that the religions are based on. I understand what tylerkat and snowklinger are saying, that you can believe in god without participating in current religious practises, but it's believing in the the overall framework that is integral to believing in god in the first place.
Here is another point of view to what I meant: Just because you have a car, doesn't make you a mechanic. Doesn't mean you study autobody. You have a damn car. the end. Typical human behavior to have a label on everything I swear..Ontop of that if you watched the video I linked, you'd get a better idea of what I meant. It's actually a good watch
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Here is another point of view to what I meant: Just because you have a car, doesn't make you a mechanic. Doesn't mean you study autobody. You have a damn car. the end. Typical human behavior to have a label on everything I swear..Ontop of that if you watched the video I linked, you'd get a better idea of what I meant. It's actually a good watch
The guy in the video rhymes about things. As far as meaning, it was vapid. I'm sure he means well but he needs to think a little harder.

If I just hand you a book and say, "this is everything you need to know. Don't worry about the authors or when it was written, or how it was edited and don't worry about what the people thought about this author at the time he wrote this. And don't worry about how people viewed this book since it was released. Also, the publishing company made the final decisions about content because there were so many submissions. Best of luck."

This point provides power for atheists/agnostics and people who adhere to a strict framework for their religion. But it cuts the legs out from under those people who want to kind of believe, who want to believe Eckhart Tolle, that we are all apart of the God-consciousness, or televangelists like Joel Olsteen.

Best of luck.
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The guy in the video rhymes about things. As far as meaning, it was vapid. I'm sure he means well but he needs to think a little harder.

If I just hand you a book and say, "this is everything you need to know. Don't worry about the authors or when it was written, or how it was edited and don't worry about what the people thought about this author at the time he wrote this. And don't worry about how people viewed this book since it was released. Also, the publishing company made the final decisions about content because there were so many submissions. Best of luck."

This point provides power for atheists/agnostics and people who adhere to a strict framework for their religion. But it cuts the legs out from under those people who want to kind of believe, who want to believe Eckhart Tolle, that we are all apart of the God-consciousness, or televangelists like Joel Olsteen.

Best of luck.
Welcome the wonderful world of debating religion and the rest of this conversation. I'm having trouble understanding your point though, I understand where you're coming from..but so what?
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Your all so intelligent about this subject. Let's say we start a debate about panheads vs shovelhead or small block vs big vs flathead.
I mean real stuff, not fiction. You know the stuff real men debate about.

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