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I have a serious, non-dick question for those who don't believe in a higher power, basically regarding my questions from a few posts up.

Do you guys ever look around at the complexities of everything around us, from the way the universe works, to our perfect distance from the sun for life to exist, to the gravitational pull of the moon which allows the tides to support that ecosystem, so on and so forth, down to the complexities of how living organisms work and wonder: "Man, how the fuck did all this shit just happen to work out?". I mean, it seems that even the most fragile changes or shifts in about anything cause problems that are beyond human control. I know there's lots of scientific theories out there to try and explain the coincidences, but do you guys ever think, "Holy fuck?"
..the fact that without the moon we wouldn't be here anyways because the moon keeps the planet spinning on axis. Without that the climate would change drastically all of the time.

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naw, i think "science fuck"!
Science is the method of gathering knowledge. It doesn't actually DO anything though.

We're not here because of science. We use science to learn how we got here as best we can but science didn't create or do anything.

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naw, i think "science fuck"!
I'm not trying to convince you of a higher power with that argument by the way. I just meant sometimes the science-y engineering part of me goes, "Fuck, that just happened to work out perfectly "

and really, "science fuck"?!?!?. No punctuation makes that sound like some sort of creepy, Japanese, tentacle porn
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The answer to the things we don't know could be anything from: nothing, Jesus, alien ant farms, maybe our universe only existed for 1 second in some other universe!

As long as we ignore what little data we have, and choose to hate each other based on mythology and stereotyping, no amount of technology or education can protect us from our own self-destruction.
^^This!!

I never could comprehend why religions that are supposed to be about peace and love advocate destroying each other based on myths that explain the exact same thing.


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who knew so many boarders were Atheists...the stock of this forum is rising in my books.

Atheism is the product of the evolution of mankind.

Still thou...as scary as it sounds more then half of american believe the earth was created in 6 days by god just over 2000 years ago. We still have some more evolving to do i guess.
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About every day but the deity theory is too simplistic and primitive.

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I have a serious, non-dick question for those who don't believe in a higher power, basically regarding my questions from a few posts up.

Do you guys ever look around at the complexities of everything around us, from the way the universe works, to our perfect distance from the sun for life to exist, to the gravitational pull of the moon which allows the tides to support that ecosystem, so on and so forth, down to the complexities of how living organisms work and wonder: "Man, how the fuck did all this shit just happen to work out?". I mean, it seems that even the most fragile changes or shifts in about anything cause problems that are beyond human control. I know there's lots of scientific theories out there to try and explain the coincidences, but do you guys ever think, "Holy fuck?"

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I'm with Sabatoa on this one.

I believe in the Bible and God and Jesus and all that good stuff, but I don't believe everthing in the Bible is to be taken literally. As Joe Rogan accurately points out, many of these stories were passed down verbally for hundreds if not thousands of years before pen was put to paper. There's bound to be some inconsistencies in a story any time verbal communication is used.

I don't believe the earth was created literally in 7 days. Hell, it could have taken 7 billion years for all we know. I believe that God shaped the world through evolution, by basically building the world so that evolution and adaptation could take place naturally. I honestly think teaching creationism in school is dangerous, among many of the other things that the "church" pushes on society.

I don't really fall into any denomination either, because I disagree with church. The idea of everyone cramming into a room to worship God and giving a bunch of money to a tax-free institution so they can buy corporate jets and big McMansions isn't what the Bible is about. I don't wanna get on here and be preachy to everyone, but being a Christian means being "Christ like". That means loving your neighbor despite their: sexual preference, monetary status, color of skin, etc.

My biggest question is, I look around and just how complicated everything in the world is, from the make up of the human body, to the natural ecosystems and the way everything seems to work together, and I can't see how that just coincidentally happened to all work out on it's own. I just can't see how something as complicated as the human body just happened to evolve over all that time to be essentially this super-efficient machine, without some sort of guiding hand. There's so many things left to chance that just perfectly worked out in our favor, that I find it hard to believe that it's all coincidence. I honestly don't know
Always get me how people proudly claim they are religious, then it becomes obvious they basically don't really believe it but just don't have any better explanation for some things.. Educate yourself and free yourself completely!

For starters, evolution by means of natural selection is far from coincidence. Your argument from personal credulity (i just can't believe..) is always a pretty weak one and pretty arrogant also when you think about it. If you understood natural selection, you'd understand that quite the opposite it's actually pretty hard to believe it could have happened any other way. Read The Selfish Gene, it will explain far more eloquently than I can and probably blow your mind. (in a good way )

I most sincerely wish you luck your quest for answers.
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I don't think my prior statement of hoping for people to evolve is so uncalled for now hah

Considering you keep using the word evolve, it would be a good start if you learnt what it actually meant...
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Science is the method of gathering knowledge. It doesn't actually DO anything though.

We're not here because of science. We use science to learn how we got here as best we can but science didn't create or do anything.
I don't get why you think that's an issue. What makes it so important to you that something did?
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I don't get why you think that's an issue. What makes it so important to you that something did?
um...because it's the topic of this discussion?

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