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Old 10-10-2012, 02:28 PM   #41 (permalink)
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War criminal is ridiculous rhetoric.

Nearly all of my family has served in the military. I can't trust a president who wants to sterilize our country.
Sterilize our country?
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2011 chart of the world's top 5 military spenders. source: SIPIRI yearbook 2012.



we could cut military spending in half and we'd still spend more than twice what China - a nation of over a billion people - spends. not to mention the fraudulent and criminal wastes of money that is the old boys club of government contracted military industrial complex...

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how do you republicans feel about this? Sincerely? Mittens using the name of the dead seal AGAINST the will of the SEAL's family?

Mitt Romney Won't Mention Glen Doherty, Slain Former Navy SEAL, After Mother's Complaint

Romney didn't directly provide Doherty's name, but his campaign later confirmed his identity. He was one of four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, killed during a violent assault on the consulate in Benghazi last month.
Boston's WHDH later reached out to Doherty's mother, Barbara, to get her reaction to Romney's campaign trail anecdote.
"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda," she told WHDH. "It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”
Doherty similarly decried the politicization of her son's death in an interview with the Boston Herald last month.
Glen Doherty's friend, Elf Ellefsen, also spoke with Seattle's KIRO, expressing similar disagreement with Romney's mention of his friend's death.
According to Ellefsen, Doherty found his exchange with Romney to be "insincere and stale."
"Mitt Romney approached him ultimately four times, using this private gathering as a political venture to further his image," Ellefsen told KIRO. "He kept introducing himself as Mitt Romney, a political figure. The same introduction, the same opening line ... [Doherty] said it was pathetic and comical to have the same person come up to you within only a half hour, have this person reintroduce himself to you, having absolutely no idea whatsoever that he just did this 20 minutes ago, and did not even recognize Glen's face."
Romney had again made mention of his meeting with Doherty in the wake of these reports on Wednesday during a town hall event in Ohio.
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Having said that, as horrendous as Obama has been, I can not see Romney doing anything but making it even worse. So while I HATE having to vote for Obama, I feel the greater good here is in preventing Romney from winning.
Fuck and that's our left wing candidate. How did it get so bad?
I like to believe that Obama had to do that because he had no choice. I like to think that.
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Having said that, as horrendous as Obama has been, I can not see Romney doing anything but making it even worse. So while I HATE having to vote for Obama, I feel the greater good here is in preventing Romney from winning.
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And people wonder why moderates and progressives think people on the right and especially the religious right are all fucking morons......
Us moderates think the same about what you call progressives....
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I do believe that! The President is in many ways just a puppet. The real power in government lurks in the shadows as Cheney used to say. I believe that there are committees high up comprised of government and corporate power that wield the true power and control; enough to threaten the life of a President if he bucks the system (cough...Kennedy...cough). Once elected, I imagine that they get "briefed" about how things REALLY work and are given "guidelines" for which they are allowed to work within.

I genuinely believe we only have the illusion of representative democracy and what we really have is Plutocracy. We are allowed the illusion of democracy because it is easier and cheaper for the establishment to allow us this illusion of participatory democracy than risk all out rebellion which would cost the establishment money to deal with.

I don't think Obama is a bad man; quite the opposite, I think he is a very decent moral man. I also don`t believe Bush was inherently "evil"; he was dumber than a post yes and amoral, but not "evil" Cheney, Wolfowitz. Armatage, Rumsfeld and the corporate power that pulls their strings on the other hand......Satan`s toejam!

I think Obama will "win" because the establishment wants him to win. I think Romney scares them as too much of a risk. Obama is a known. He has proven that he will ultimately do their will and is a great actor for the American people. Obama has been fantastic for Wall Street and thats all the corporatocracy cares about. I don't see them making any changes while things are going their way. What we get is the dog and pony show to make us all feel like we participated in democracy and the the peoples` will prevailed.

Yeah, I know its tin foil hat talk, but I think it may have some truth....

No it's not. You're on the money.

I still HOPE that in his second term we will see the Obama we wished we elected. Or finally realize how fucked we are.
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A progressive IS a moderate too; just a little left of center. I think it's liberals that you object to.
I believe you are correct sir...
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