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Old 11-07-2012, 02:52 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Wyoming troopers are going to have a blast in the summer busting Coloradans who "accidentally" bring their weed when they invade our lakes.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:52 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:00 PM   #83 (permalink)
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That makes no sense. Having traces of THC in your system does not mean that you are still high. Same for nicotine.
I know that, but I know most companies if you are involved in an accident you get a blood test. Not saying you are high which I know you aren't, but traces of THC in your blood could still get you fired.

I used the nicotine as an example that just because a substance is legal you can still get fired. It all depends on the company.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:27 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Get over it, it is now legal in two states. The what if's will be answered by the courts if necessary. Nothing is going to change the State law. If you are concerned about it, don't use it. Last I checked this amendment gives you the choice to use Marijuana without fear of being a criminal. Whether you choose to exercise that right is up to you.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:05 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Eh, lets be honest now. I do know a few people who need to have weed. When you are smoking 4 bowls a day or more for several years you can't just simply stop smoking. You are dependent on it and a restless mind sucks for them. It is a very extreme smoker, but they do exist and no harm is done in at least recognizing that there are some people out there that need weed to make it through the day.
I smoked daily for 4 years or so. I was so into it I was one of the lead organizers for the Toronto Marijuana March in the early 2000s. One day I woke up and said to myself "meh, I'm done smoking for a while, time to focus my energy elsewhere" and I quit cold turkey. See below for more info...

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It is a mental addiction though. Take it away from them and sure they'll want it.
Exactly, it is a habitual addiction, not a physical addiction. It may be just as hard to break for some but in general if you feel like quitting smoking pot, you quit smoking pot. How many cigarette smokers and casual drinkers just quit one day and never go back? My guess is almost none.

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I agree 100%, I just think it is sensible to agree that some people are dependent on it instead of saying no one is. Just opens up a hole in the premise that doesn't need to exist.
The only people "dependent" on weed are people using it to help control pain, nausea, etc. associated with terminal illnesses. A habitual pot smoker is not "dependent".

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They can still fire you. If it is in your system how do they know if you smoked last night or smoked right before you came to work and got into an accident? That is the same as if you had alcohol in your system. Alcohol just flushes out quicker.
Alcohol is metabolized in your liver to acetaldehyde. An alcohol test by either blood or breath measures your blood-alcohol content. This test is pretty accurate at determining impairment at the time of the test. (i.e. if you had an accident at work and were subjected to a D&A test, if you came back positive for alcohol over the legal driving limit, you were likely impaired at the time)

THC is metabolized into THC and THC... lol (Delta9-TCH is metabolized into two other forms of THC, and the psycoactive metabolites only stay in your system for a relatively short period of time (a few hours) before they are metabolized into non-psychoactive forms of THC. D&A tests don't distinguish WHICH metabolite is being quantified, so they are not accurate at determining impairment as far as I know.

Therefore, you'd have a reasonable case if you were fired for testing positive for THC in your system, as an employer only has grounds to dismiss if you are likely impaired at work. I'm sure there are many jurisdictions that handle this differently, but there is a fine line on Charter/Constitutional rights when it comes to D&A testing. Furthermore, if there is a chance you are "addicted" to a substance generally speaking the company has to find you help before they can just outright fire you. So the dependence argument comes back to bite us in the ass there. If we say it's not addictive, we can't argue that we shouldn't be fired because we have a "problem"...
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Last time I checked the Military is ran by the Feds. So yes they could hold you to a standard that says you can not use MJ even if it is legal and fire you for it's use without a second thought.

Get over it, it is now legal in two states. The what if's will be answered by the courts if necessary. Nothing is going to change the State law. If you are concerned about it, don't use it. Last I checked this amendment gives you the choice to use Marijuana without fear of being a criminal. Whether you choose to exercise that right is up to you.
They aren't what if, they are when. Which need to be answered before you pass a law. That procedure is a reckless way to govern. I'm not against it. Just pondering what the solutions are to these situations. Which are good questions. The National Guard is state run though, for the most part. Nothing like this has quite happened and I'm curious to see how it plays out and how it'll be handled.
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They need to legalize in TN too and chance the Federal Aviation Administration rules to allow for marijuana use so I can get my smoke on. Glad to hear the people of Colorado and Washington took a stand. Wonder how much money the bastard industrial prison complex fuckers stand to lose if the federal courts uphold legalizing pot!
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Therefore, you'd have a reasonable case if you were fired for testing positive for THC in your system, as an employer only has grounds to dismiss if you are likely impaired at work. I'm sure there are many jurisdictions that handle this differently, but there is a fine line on Charter/Constitutional rights when it comes to D&A testing. Furthermore, if there is a chance you are "addicted" to a substance generally speaking the company has to find you help before they can just outright fire you. So the dependence argument comes back to bite us in the ass there. If we say it's not addictive, we can't argue that we shouldn't be fired because we have a "problem"...
Some employers have zero tolerance drug policies that are different from their alcohol and tobacco dependence policies. It all comes down to how the company's policy is written and what they're willing to tolerate from their employees. Just because a state relaxes something doesn't mean that an employer will relax it too.

While many employers have random drug testing policies in place (have you checked your HR policies lately?) they rarely do check except when one is hired. Depending on the employer, look for some of these "random" drug tests to actually be administered in the future.
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I work at a company where if you show up intoxicated to work, you're done. Alcohol is legal, yet I have yet to hear of any challenges to this policy.

I don't see very many companies worrying about if they can fire or not. If you are a driver, you're probably not going to be able to smoke. State legal or not. Pre-Employment drug screenings are probably not going to change. If you piss hot for THC, they probably won't hire you. Regardless if it's legal or not, they are free to make that choice. Random drug tests in the work place, aside from people who drive machinery, are pretty rare. Probably because it gets rather pricey to do so.

Don't forget, this is a "fire at will" state. You do not have a right to your job. You can get let go for just about any reason and there is little recourse in most cases.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:25 AM   #90 (permalink)
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To me this is no big deal. I mean come on its pot. If its legal or not really is irrelevant in my eyes because potheads in general are subdue compared to other users.

What I mean by that is a crackhead will get to a point where they will smoke it anywhere and not really care. Potheads are different in this example. If it is legal in Denver I seriously doubt people will be just walking around the streets of the city smoking joints, bowls, bongs, dutchies or whatever..Potheads generally like to smoke in their own domain and not really be public about it.

Now as far as the stores, the taxing, the economy and everything else sure that will grow into an industry. But for what thats worth..ehhh


I do agree small amounts should not go to the courts. That I do ...but then again one must define a "small amount"... to me that could be a pound lol..

Ehhh... they sort of already do that around here. It's more commonly accepted than one might think. Now, people aren't walking around with huge bongs and doing it in the middle of the day, but I've seen it before. Right on the 16th street mall (pedestrian mall downtown Denver) I've seen people on benches smoking. ANY concert at Red Rocks or Pepsi Center. April 20th go to Boulder or even downtown Denver and there is a haze in the sky. Go hiking on pretty common trails - you'll smell it. Every ski resort I've been to, I've run into it. Hell, at the beach at a-basin, people don't even try to hide it.

All I'm saying is that it is a lot different out here in that people seem to just mind their own business. And this was all before this proposal passed.
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