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post #21 of 35 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 11:02 AM
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Both are complicit, moreso Israel as they've committed horrible atrocities in the conflicts, using White Phosphorous on civilian populations and refugee camps as well as carpeting civilian neighbourhoods with cluster bombs to make them uninhabitable for a long period of time in a place where living space is at a premium.

It's a joke how they talk about caring about civilian deaths and do everything they can to prevent them when they have that kind of track record.
is that really any worse than suicide bombing public transit/markets/etc.?
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Yep! It is so glaringly obvious to everyone who looks at it objectively. Unfortunately the Jewish lobby in America (AIPAC) has enormous political power over US foreign policy and the UN is effectively a puppet of the US. This shockingly unbalanced treatment fuels a lot of the anti Israeli and anti American hatred and terrorism throughout the region and abroad.

It is NOT anti Semitic to advocate unbiased equal treatment and expectations from all nations in the region including holding Israel to those standards. This situation is actually hurting Israel and her people greatly too. Things have gotten so much worse with Netanyahu and his Zionist extremist Likud party in power.

If there is any chance of some semblance of peace, the Israeli people must enact change from within and vote these radical right wingers out of power and put in moderates like the Kadima party who, while still Zionist, understands that concessions to Palestinians must be made. Ariel Sharon was far more moderate and we saw much better stability and even some minimal progress. It may not be fair, but I believe it is on Israel's shoulders to begin this process of reform. Along with electing a more moderate government, Israelis must weed out the radical Zionists from the IDF; many of the high ranking IDF commanders are acting as rogues and committing atrocities not condoned by the people of Israel.
That about sums it up. There will be no peace with the current Israeli regime.

"The goal is to send Gaza back to the middle ages, only then will Israel be calm for 40 years." Israeli interior minister quote from just days ago. How can we expect peace when the most powerful men in the country have such a mindset.
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That region has been war torn since the beginning of civilization and it almost certainly will be until the end of civilization. That's what happens when everyone thinks god is on their side. It's hopeless.
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Was September 11, 2001 a heinous terrorist act upon our country?
Not having a go at you Snowolf, just feel that the above quote is actually quite important in this whole argument. 9-11 was the start of the "war on terror" and is definitely important when discussing the current situation in Israel and the middle east/ Palestine.

I know I will get flak for this but, personally I feel America really needs to objectively look at 9-11 and ask more questions.

I don't pretend to know all the answers, but with a background in science I know there is BS in the official explanation.

This is an interesting analysis of 9-11 by professional Architects and Engineers.

Its an hour long but the first 15 mins is enough. Lets not stick our heads in the sand here, be open.

AE911Truth.org - YouTube


What is interesting here is that many Engineers, high rise Architects, demolition experts and Physics Profs speak about how the conventional explanation makes no sense from a scientific point of view.

I can't see any reason, other than sincerity, as to why people working in Universities and successful careers would associate themselves with such an unpopular cause. They have nothing to gain, a lot to loose, yet they are putting this out.

All they are calling for is an independent investigation that would use all the evidence to come to the most scientific conclusion.
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Not surprised no one replied to the last post, don't expect any to this but please at least look at the link and think for yourself.

This is a list of retired US military, including Generals, Colonels and many other high ranking, highly informed, highly intelligent vets.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

They have all signed a petition to demand a full independent study that is consistent with the events observed on that terrible day. They all feel that the official story cannot and does not explain what happened. Therefore more investigation is urgently needed.

Also 400 professors, 1500 architects and engineers (from around the world) have also signed this petition.

This event could be the defining event of our lifetimes, it has been the fuel used to started several wars.

If retired US Generals and Colonels can sign this petition, I believe it is at least worth a look at what they have to say.

A wise man once said,

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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Not having a go at you Snowolf, just feel that the above quote is actually quite important in this whole argument. 9-11 was the start of the "war on terror" and is definitely important when discussing the current situation in Israel and the middle east/ Palestine.

I know I will get flak for this but, personally I feel America really needs to objectively look at 9-11 and ask more questions.

I don't pretend to know all the answers, but with a background in science I know there is BS in the official explanation.

This is an interesting analysis of 9-11 by professional Architects and Engineers.

Its an hour long but the first 15 mins is enough. Lets not stick our heads in the sand here, be open.

AE911Truth.org - YouTube


What is interesting here is that many Engineers, high rise Architects, demolition experts and Physics Profs speak about how the conventional explanation makes no sense from a scientific point of view.

I can't see any reason, other than sincerity, as to why people working in Universities and successful careers would associate themselves with such an unpopular cause. They have nothing to gain, a lot to loose, yet they are putting this out.

All they are calling for is an independent investigation that would use all the evidence to come to the most scientific conclusion.
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Not surprised no one replied to the last post, don't expect any to this but please at least look at the link and think for yourself.

This is a list of retired US military, including Generals, Colonels and many other high ranking, highly informed, highly intelligent vets.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

They have all signed a petition to demand a full independent study that is consistent with the events observed on that terrible day. They all feel that the official story cannot and does not explain what happened. Therefore more investigation is urgently needed.

Also 400 professors, 1500 architects and engineers (from around the world) have also signed this petition.

This event could be the defining event of our lifetimes, it has been the fuel used to started several wars.

If retired US Generals and Colonels can sign this petition, I believe it is at least worth a look at what they have to say.

A wise man once said,

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Preachin' to the choir here brother. AMEN!

If those buildings went down the way they said, it was a fucking miracle.

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Good to see reason prevails with some, as I said I understand why lots of people wouldn't want to post on this thread.

However, the real fear should be in doing and saying nothing.

In pretending there are no discrepancies when they are all too abundant if you know anything about science or aviation. Even the most basic scientific knowledge would be enough to say lets look at this again and not through a national government organization, but with real independent scientists from different countries.

I noticed the number of views for this has risen.
These threads are public right, we got rid of the 100 post thing? Snowolf?

Take a look and don't be afraid to do so. The numbers signing this petition have grown enormously and there is real strength in numbers.

Again all that is being said is we need a new independent investigation.

We need to get this right.

Also to me personally, every single one of those vets and other professionals who have signed their name and put their photo on this, they have my utmost respect.

Thats real bravery and humanity.


Started a new thread as this has drifted away from the OP.

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/pol...tml#post544059

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9-11 = Godwin's Law 2.0

Glad to hear of a ceasefire for the Palestinians (and the Israelis too, but given the death toll ratio, lets not kid ourselves who the true benefactors are).

I wonder if this will stir things up at all?
Arafat exhumation comes at tense time for PA - Features - Al Jazeera English

Just coz you don't understand it
Doesn't mean it makes no sense!
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