PaoloSmythe

Really? I think it more precise to say that people are still dying due to the massive knee jerk in public support for a march to war AFTER that day.

An investigation to determine whether 'bastard terrorists' or 'bastard politicians' precipitated all of this fails to address the fact that anything which followed was endorsed by a tremendous share of the population. You (the collective) have a valuable lesson to learn from this and this alone.

You need an investigation to determine if (genuine) terrorists are nasty and that politicians lie to you?

This is supremely naive.

Justice is only served upon those 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. Sadly conspiracists are aiming to serve justice on the authors of 'plausible deniability', not to mention the actual law itself!

And that my friend is the entire point. It is ONLY about America. No one else cares. They really do not. In those war ravaged lands, where the machines of death and destruction still burn up the oil and spit out the bodies, they don't care for your annual moment of september silence. They just want you to leave.
They don't need to know why two skyscrapers fell; the entire world knows that by one way or another, America brought it upon itself.

And so even with your investigation, what would you expect to see happen or mores to the point, actually change?

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KIRKRIDER

My name is Paolo too...

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ThunderChunky

Do you even know why Islamic extremists dislike America?

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JeffreyCH

I for one believe that if it was proved to be a conspiracy/planned and those responsible were held accountable it would change the political landscape in this country completely. If we arrested every member of the Gov't that was serving at the time, execute the ones directly responsible, jail the ones in-directly responsible, and make the ones that looked the other way explain in court why they did so, and give them jail time no matter what they said. It would be a clear message to those in gov't "You can't get away with this shit anymore, PERIOD!"

Next round up all the bankers, hedge fund managers, and other scumbags, rinse, repeat.

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ThunderChunky

It would shake the already faltering trust in our government and most likely cause a quite bloody revolution and leave us quite vulnerable. The government would left vacant.

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dreampow

Absolutely fine and healthy to post this.

However I do not believe its backed by anything like as many academics, we have 400 professors on the other site.

Also check out what the high ranking, highly trained ex military saying, I believe their testimony is very convincing, because of their experience and knowledge in these fields.

They have signed the same petition as the architects and engineers.
Gererals, ex FBI, exCIA, ex Navy SEALS. Its quite impressive if you actually open your mind and take the time to look at it.

For those of you who say move along, nothing to see here I say what harm is there in a rational debate, in looking at the facts again?

@Paolo I was born and raised in the UK and I live in Japan. Therefore your theory that no one cares is very wrong. I assure you people care around the world because everyone is sick and tired of wars based in lies.

What you mean to say perhaps is that you do not care?

Thats your choice but I do care and I do have hope. Thats my choice.

dreampow

How would this be worse, your logic escapes me.

If we had a real science based investigation that gave us a realistic version of events consistent with the data and observations we could start to find out exactly what happened and who was responsible.

The official story is not science based, its full of unsupported, extremely low probability, as in close to impossible events. Such events can happen, but not one after another over and over again in a few hours.

Being that I have a masters in biological sciences from Oxford university, I think I understand how science works better than most.

You say we are better off ignoring the facts and continuing down the same path that 9-11 has paved.

I do not agree.

Bones

I'm not sure that I would personally go that far, but I am sure that the "powers that be" recognized a golden opportunity to further their own agenda with the full emotional support of the American people when it landed in their lap.

In my mind (and I don't mean to belittle the tragedy) it reminds me of the shooting of the Archduke in Bosnia? that started WW1, ie a single incident that would not have been so significant had it happened in less tense times. Frankly, we're all lucky that it didn't happen during the height of the Cold War or by an easily identified target or the button would have been pushed.

SnowBrdScotty

If WTC 7 had dynamite then the chances of the other WTC had it also. it doesn't take a few hrs to install them...

that my friend is all you need to concentrate on.

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Deviant

First, the put options is what strikes me the most about the events leading up to 9/11. I've heard the argument that it was due to American Airlines press release that they were retiring a bunch of planes and falling profits, but the sheer amount of put options in the 2 days up to 9/11 just can't be ignored, in my opinion.

Second, as I'm not a pilot, I can't fully understand what skills are needed to fly a plane low to the ground like that, but I completely respect the views from pilots stating someone who could barely fly a Cessna shouldn't have been able to fly a commercial that low to the ground without crashing. I also question why only a select few videos of the plane hitting the pentagon exist, when I've read that there should be a lot more videos of the event in existence.

Third

No disrespect meant, but I highly doubt that. "Revolution" seems to be the word of the year in the US. Even if the government were to come out and say, "yep we did it", a revolution wouldn't happen. Sure people would go ape shit, a select few would be violent, but I don't believe a full-on bloody revolution would ever happen. I mentioned this before in another thread, but if groups of people decided to attack the fat cats in Washington, the people doing it would be labeled as domestic terrorists and slaughtered.

Going back to the conspiracy theorists. Regardless of what happens, conspiracy nuts will preach. I remember watching 9/11 happen and the cameraman filming some nut standing in a park spouting off that the government did it maybe an hour after the 2nd tower fell. Now that's bullshit, but once everything came out and people started digging into the events, there's a hell of a lot of coincidences that day.