Powhound97

Alright guys, I've been listening to the radio (news, not my choice) and hearing all kinds of shit about climate change and the planet getting warm and ice melting
That kinda stuff, While also seeing some of the mountains getting no snow, and some getting record snow

What's yours take?
Is this just a load of bullshit the media is pushing?
If its not, ill see it happen in my life time and that is lame!

Sorry for the kinda useless post, just looking for opinions and answers.

ARSENALFAN

Well most people who live and work in Alberta where the oil sands are call bullshit on global warming. I live here and believe that the planet is indeed warming up. I pity those folk who are powderless in Colorado at the moment.

snowklinger

lol hot topic fail

1985 is calling and misses you

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is it late october yet?

Powhound97

Klinger..... is that like clinging onto the past?

wrathfuldeity

Outdoor, you got a houseboat in gig?

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Powhound97

Gig harbor?
No, why?

Donutz

This thread may end up having to be moved to the politics section, but what the hell.

Regarding the original question, the evidence is overwhelming that the planet is warming up. The denialists have gone through a series of rear-guard actions, but they are now in the main grudgingly admitting that warming is indeed happening, but are now claiming that it isn't human-caused. There's a news item on physorg.com this week that says different, btw.

As for the oil-sands people, this debate is pretty much divided along political lines, with the right wing almost unanimous that AGW is a myth. That's because reacting to AGW, i.e. doing something about it, conflicts with right wing ethics about untrammelled capitalism.

Edit: Here's the link: http://phys.org/news/2012-11-human-c...ges-noise.html

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BurtonAvenger

I haven't seen snow in the mountains in 2 years and I live at 10k feet you tell me it doesn't exist.

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Bones

Obviously, the data shows that our global climate is changing.

What is up for debate is whether or not mankind is causing it directly, indirectly, or accelerating it in a meaningful (and therefore controllable way).

The deniers will point out that the vast amount of CO2 emissions are naturally occurring (95-97%?). The advocates will point out that man-made emissions have never been higher, are increasing rapidly and have/are pushing things over the tipping point at which our planet can recover. Basically arguing that while we may only account for 3-5%, but that's 3-5% that our planet has never had to deal with before.

Deniers will say (quite correctly) that our planet has always gone through hot and cold cycles and that this is just one more. Advocates will say that all the evidence (rock/ice cores, sea water tests, atmospheric test, etc.) shows that it's never been like this before.

Deniers will say that the earth can and will repair itself. That seems to be true in the case of the ozone hole in the southern hemisphere. Advocates will point out that, even after the ban on leaded gas, the amount of lead in ice samples and atmospheric tests has only slowed, but has not declined.

In my mind, there's not much of a choice to make. If the advocates of climate change turn out to be correct, then this is probably the last window of opportunity to do something or we're all screwed. If the deniers are correct, then nothing we do will make any difference. Given the choice between doing nothing and hoping for the best or doing something and hoping that we're not too late, then I'll opt for doing something.

I think we should start by weaning ourselves off our addiction to fossil fuels. I'm not suggesting we cap every oil well tomorrow, but we need to invest in ways to live our lifestyles without using fossil fuels. I'm certainly not saying that we're there yet, but progress is being made.

For example, my City has just opened 2 free electric car recharging stations at City Hall. Since I work within a few blocks, I'm now considering an electric car as my next commuter vehicle (hey..free gas?)

Powhound97

Bones, I am sad to say
Your correct in every way, its true
If we don't stop worrying about the economy and fix our output of chemicals and pollution, its going to get worse.
It's mite be the planet going through a warm cycle... Be we aren't helping

It's just my opinion, but I think humans have been to worried about making everything more convenient, selling more, better, larger, faster

Not thinking about the fact they are digging up a mountain for rare earth metals and destroying a mountain that's been around longer than humans and making it gone, forever.

Here's to hoping people realize were slowly killing out planet with the want of more and excess.