goyo

Fanatic are you.
There you go:
"Every year just over 30,000 people die in the US from gunshot wounds. Every two years more US citizens are killed by gunshot wounds than were lost in the entire Vietnam war"

How many gunshot deaths occur each year in the US

Dont you worry about me. Worry about those other 20 million legal gun owners. If you piss them off they kill you.
I would just beat your ass.

tdn

Ha, Did I say you said anything about a magical world? I said, if you believe what has happened in the past cannot happen again, then you sir, must live in a magical world. Reading comprehension is vital if we're going to try to have a civil and fun debate.

In a similar way of you calling someone paranoid, remember that?

It can be both. Again man, reading comprehension. Let me break it down for you. If you're a million miles from home, but you travel a thousand miles closer. You're closer than before, but still far off.

If you'd like me to explain it in another way, please ask.

Can you rephrase that please? It sounds like you're saying, we should ban guns now, then if our government tries to oppress us, we should then unban them? Is that what you're saying there? Do you see the flaw in that at all?

Ok perfect. So you realize history has taught us that there are very valid and crucial times where the average citizen should be armed.

I'm reminded of another Thomas Jefferson quote, "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.".

You're wrong my friend. It's much harder to control an armed populace than you think. Think of the last 10 years with not only the on going conflicts directly involving the U.S. but other parts of the world as well. I also know from first hand experience.

sabatoa

If O.J. Simpson didn't have a knife, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman would still be alive.

Seriously, STFU Bob Costas.

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Dim Mak 1470

I like whomever made this up

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

BigmountainVMD

He did only mention handguns, and I would like to see the numbers of self-defence instances where a handgun has helped compared to the number of murders/threats with a handgun.

I see this as more of a plea against handguns, not the 2nd amendment as a whole, just like the plea against automatic weapons after that movie theater slaughter.

This is not sarcastic or malicious, but can someone enlighten me on what, other than "protection," a handgun is used for? And don't say hunting...

I see where Costas is coming from, but I don't necessarily agree.

I get rifles and shotguns, but what are handguns used for, other than to extinguish human life? I think that is where all this comes from.

In case the above statements make you think otherwise, I am all about anything that reduces the human population and impact we have on our planet.

GO GUNS!

Dim Mak 1470

Protection It's easier to conceal carry than a rifle.

I'm a bit confused why your okay with rifles & shotguns and not handguns?

tdn

Wrong again. Do yourself a favor, break down those 30,000 in categories. That number has been thrown around heavily by the anti gun crowd. Break them down into categories (or continue searching) and you'll find far less than that number are unjustified murders.

Also, are you assuming the 20 million legal owners are the ones committing these crimes? I'm a legal owner, I have what I do for fun and defense, against the illegal owners, who don't obey laws anyway and would not be affected by more gun laws like the legal owners would be. How successful has it been when marijuana, heroine, meth, cocaine, opium etc.. was illegal in all states? The majority of it still shipped to the states despite it's illegal status. The drug war, as more and more people are realizing has only made it easier to get and put the control and distribution of it in the black market. Why would guns be any different? It would essentially be still available and easier to get if banned outright, all while restricting law abiding citizens from sport, hobby and self defense.

Look at the state of Vermont, you just need a drivers license to buy a gun. 16 year olds can conceal carry, no permit needed for anyone who isn't prohibited (FPP). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's one of the safest places in the U.S., look at major cities in Arizona or Texas, where gun laws are fairly lax. Now look at Major cities in New York or Illinios where they are or were virtually banned. The difference is that crime is much easier to commit when the victim is less likely to be armed.

Despite all that, even if all that were wrong, I stress the protection from our own and other governments being the true reason for the second amendment. And I repeat Thomas Jefferson quote, I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

seant46

damn...QFT

Dim Mak 1470

"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”-Ben Franklin

tdn

Hey, using your own link.

30,000 die a year from gun shot wounds out of a population of 310,000,000.

30000/310000000 * 100 = .0097% die from gunshot wounds.

Keep in mind most of those are suicides right?

So 8000 a year die from homicide.

8000/310000000 * 100 = .0025% of the population are killed by guns.

Check my math, I can barely subtract most of the time

Looks like I was right in that it's less than a hundredth of 1%, in fact, it's much less.

Thanks for the link!

Here's a link for you with sources. http://rense.com/general76/mths.htm