Bob Costas and NBC just shat upon the 2cd Amendment on Sunday Night Football - Page 5 - Snowboarding Forum

hot-ice · 12-03-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD

He did only mention handguns, and I would like to see the numbers of self-defence instances where a handgun has helped compared to the number of murders/threats with a handgun.

I see this as more of a plea against handguns, not the 2nd amendment as a whole, just like the plea against automatic weapons after that movie theater slaughter.

This is not sarcastic or malicious, but can someone enlighten me on what, other than "protection," a handgun is used for? And don't say hunting...

I see where Costas is coming from, but I don't necessarily agree.

I get rifles and shotguns, but what are handguns used for, other than to extinguish human life? I think that is where all this comes from.

In case the above statements make you think otherwise, I am all about anything that reduces the human population and impact we have on our planet.

GO GUNS!

Coming from a proud gun enthusiast/hunter/family that knows a lot about guns, I can tell you that hand guns can be used for many different things such as: sport(there are target competitions all over the place), personal defense(concealed carry, and protection while hunting in areas that have bears and such), and I know you said not to say hunting,but I know many hunters who carry it as a secondary weapon,or a few as primary when hunting.

goyo · 12-03-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tdn

Wrong again. Do yourself a favor, break down those 30,000 in categories. That number has been thrown around heavily by the anti gun crowd. Break them down into categories (or continue searching) and you'll find far less than that number are unjustified murders.

Also, are you assuming the 20 million legal owners are the ones committing these crimes? I'm a legal owner, I have what I do for fun and defense, against the illegal owners, who don't obey laws anyway and would not be affected by more gun laws like the legal owners would be. How successful has it been when marijuana, heroine, meth, cocaine, opium etc.. was illegal in all states? The majority of it still shipped to the states despite it's illegal status. The drug war, as more and more people are realizing has only made it easier to get and put the control and distribution of it in the black market. Why would guns be any different? It would essentially be still available and easier to get if banned outright, all while restricting law abiding citizens from sport, hobby and self defense.

Look at the state of Vermont, you just need a drivers license to buy a gun. 16 year olds can conceal carry, no permit needed for anyone who isn't prohibited (FPP). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's one of the safest places in the U.S., look at major cities in Arizona or Texas, where gun laws are fairly lax. Now look at Major cities in New York or Illinios where they are or were virtually banned. The difference is that crime is much easier to commit when the victim is less likely to be armed.

Despite all that, even if all that were wrong, I stress the protection from our own and other governments being the true reason for the second amendment. And I repeat Thomas Jefferson quote, I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

Nice and strong argument.
Im all for respecting the rights of others.
But incidents like the one that happened on saturday makes you think.
Lets now imagine that magical world we're talking about.
No guns whatsoever.
You think the guy would have killed his girlfriend some other way? knife? archery? poison? Maybe but I think less likable.
For him to commit suicide? Probably, jumping of a bridge, etc.
How many deaths could be avoided?
Would those deaths be worth to be waiting for a police state?
We would never know...

sabatoa · 12-03-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by goyo

Nice and strong argument.
Lets now imagine that magical world we're talking about.
No guns whatsoever.
You think the guy would have killed his girlfriend some other way? knife? archery? poison? Maybe but I think less likable.
For him to commit suicide? Probably, jumping of a bridge, etc.
How many deaths could be avoided?
Would those deaths be worth to be waiting for a police state?
We would never know...

If someone wants to kill someone bad enough to actually carry the act out, they will use whatever weapon is at their disposal.

OJ did just fine killing two folks with a knife.

**Donutz** · 12-03-2012, 02:45 PM

Not that I'm a gun advocate, but in BC they just arrested a couple of guys who killed a female university student 14 months ago with a gun in the parking lot (Clue anyone?) presumably because she broke up with one of the dickless loser low-lives. Point being, we're not allowed to own and carry guns, yet this shit still happens.

hot-ice · 12-03-2012, 02:47 PM

Here's my view on what happened. When I watch a football game I want to watch FOOTBALL not some idiot give his view on why we shouldn't have guns!!!

Mixing politics with work doesn't work, especially if its nationally televised.

If we outlaw guns what's next? Knives? Bats? Axes? etc. etc.
My point is this, if someone wants to kill someone they are going to do it. Sad,but true.

tdn · 12-03-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by goyo

Nice and strong argument.
Im all for respecting the rights of others.
But incidents like the one that happened on saturday makes you think.
Lets now imagine that magical world we're talking about.
No guns whatsoever.
You think the guy would have killed his girlfriend some other way? knife? archery? poison? Maybe but I think less likable.
For him to commit suicide? Probably, jumping of a bridge, etc.
How many deaths could be avoided?
Would those deaths be worth to be waiting for a police state?
We would never know...

If the U.S. didn't have cars, we could avoid suicides, drunk driving and accidental deaths. People in cars kill more people than people with guns. However, you'd be screwing over all the drivers who don't kill people, just like you'd be restricting the greatly vast majority of gun owners who don't kill people, all for in reality, a minuscule problem in the U.S. that gets blown out of proportion by the media. Some will probably argue of the importance of cars in our society, I argue the importance of preserving Liberty.

Don't get me wrong man. I'm not being insensitive. I absolutely hate violent criminals and I feel for the victims, but violent crimes will always occur because the actions are rooted within people, not the tool they use. By putting restrictions on those tools, you're just restricting the freedoms that 99% of those people who don't commit crimes with those tools.

Besides, a world where guns don't exist is no longer possible. What is possible, is a world where the law abiding don't have guns and criminals do and this is exactly what I'm trying to prevent.

Edit: For what it's worth, I think all the time and energy the anti gun crowd use would do much more good fighting for raising education standards throughout the country. I believe a great reducer of crime is education, not banning inanimate objects.

Dim Mak 1470 · 12-03-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hot-ice

Here's my view on what happened. When I watch a football game I want to watch FOOTBALL not some idiot give his view on why we shouldn't have guns!!!

Mixing politics with work doesn't work, especially if its nationally televised.

If we outlaw guns what's next? Knives? Bats? Axes? etc. etc.

My cousin cut himself with his snowboard's edge. We need to ban snowboards! Think of the children

Sincraft · 12-03-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ComeBack_Kid

Meh. Who cares what one person thinks? He isn't a politician and his views will not influence the issue at all.

disagree. If enough 'media' types pop of at the mouth, enough mouth breathing lemmings who think the right is the bad guy will believe and vote against. Reality is, the left wants you in (or back in) chains.

Stay free America! And stop voting for these commies!

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Sincraft · 12-03-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hot-ice

Coming from a proud gun enthusiast/hunter/family that knows a lot about guns, I can tell you that hand guns can be used for many different things such as: sport(there are target competitions all over the place), personal defense(concealed carry, and protection while hunting in areas that have bears and such), and I know you said not to say hunting,but I know many hunters who carry it as a secondary weapon,or a few as primary when hunting.

Yes hand guns ARE used in the wild. Try killing a snake with a rifle close up when you wake up in an alcove and can't leave the alcove to shoot at the snake in your camp.

Or the drooling rabies ridden wild dog...

or the occasional mountain lion...

or the crazy crackhead that followed you from your car down the trail, thinking they have an easy victim in the middle of nowhere.

As long as there are crazy messed up people in the world, there is a need to protect ourselves with lethal force if necessary. Having the option vs not having the option, once you are in that situation, you will NEVER look back at guns as something you want to be without.

BigmountainVMD · 12-03-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dim Mak 1470

Protection

It's easier to conceal carry than a rifle.

I'm a bit confused why your okay with rifles & shotguns and not handguns?

No, I am totally fine with handguns. I was just trying to make the point that the issue the announcer had was with handguns, not the 2nd amendment as a whole.

I am all for guns because people NEED to die somehow. Medicine is advancing. It used to be you would never live past 50. Idiots think it is fine to breed uncontrollably. 8, 10, 15, 20 child families. It is not sustainable.

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12-03-2012, 02:47 PM	#45 (permalink)
hot-ice Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 138	Here's my view on what happened. When I watch a football game I want to watch FOOTBALL not some idiot give his view on why we shouldn't have guns!!! Mixing politics with work doesn't work, especially if its nationally televised. If we outlaw guns what's next? Knives? Bats? Axes? etc. etc. My point is this, if someone wants to kill someone they are going to do it. Sad,but true.