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Old 12-12-2012, 05:26 PM   #71 (permalink)
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When I call for heavier regulations, it wouldnt make it harder for the same people who already possess them. If we love guns so much, why cant we have them smart chipped? Why cant we hold manufacturers and dealers more responsible? The ones that dont play by the current rules, fuel the black market for them. Yes this happened in NYC. They can stick 80k cops in this place, and there will always be a crime element here.
Smart Chip?? What would that do? This isn't Judge Dredd where the guns are DNA coded to our hands lol Thats kind of contradicting your statement about not changing things for the people that abide by laws as well. You can't legally hold a manufacturer liable if a gun has changed hands over and over. Thats like me holding purdue responsible because I ate 6 month old chicken that I left out and wondered why I got sick. I think you should just realize we are in an imperfect world and there will be imperfect problems.

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How can you say the gun market is just like the drug trade? We OWN the arms manufacturing market, a reason why tougher regulations will never come.
Please make sure you read the statement correctly. I said black market (illegal) guns. ATF helps fight illegal gun trade, BUT like the drug trade going on is damn near impossible to stop and is still very real in the country. We also do not OWN the arms manufacturing market. The swiss, germans, italians, russians all make weapons. Some of those countries trade with anyone to make a buck.

Currently there is some kind of background or registration check in place to buy any gun in this nation. In reality, there isn't much more you can do to "control" gun purchasing so only the law abiding citizens get guns and you can't legally search anyone just to see if they are illegally carrying. I've continually provided you evidence and facts yet you continue to turn your nose up at it. Again, not knocking your opinion, just trying to shed some light and info on what you are thinking.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:21 PM   #72 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=sleev-les;551344]Smart Chip?? What would that do? This isn't Judge Dredd where the guns are DNA coded to our hands lol Thats kind of contradicting your statement about not changing things for the people that abide by laws as well. You can't legally hold a manufacturer liable if a gun has changed hands over and over. Thats like me holding purdue responsible because I ate 6 month old chicken that I left out and wondered why I got sick. I think you should just realize we are in an imperfect world and there will be imperfect problems.



When I speak of chipping guns, Im not talking about some judge dredd like coding. When you buy a gun, you should be held completely liable. For instance, if your house is broken into, you can report your gun missing and have it tracked by local law.
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Please make sure you read the statement correctly. I said black market (illegal) guns. ATF helps fight illegal gun trade, BUT like the drug trade going on is damn near impossible to stop and is still very real in the country. We also do not OWN the arms manufacturing market. The swiss, germans, italians, russians all make weapons. Some of those countries trade with anyone to make a buck.

So what your saying is that since other countries produce arms, we arent the leaders in that marketplace? Secondly, do you really think every illegal gun on the streets is smuggled into the country? The large majority of people that I know that illegally possess guns, just got someone who could purchase it with no problem in another state.
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Heavier regulations could involve annual psychological evaluations as well.
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Smart Chip?? What would that do? This isn't Judge Dredd where the guns are DNA coded to our hands lol Thats kind of contradicting your statement about not changing things for the people that abide by laws as well. You can't legally hold a manufacturer liable if a gun has changed hands over and over. Thats like me holding purdue responsible because I ate 6 month old chicken that I left out and wondered why I got sick. I think you should just realize we are in an imperfect world and there will be imperfect problems.



When I speak of chipping guns, Im not talking about some judge dredd like coding. When you buy a gun, you should be held completely liable. For instance, if your house is broken into, you can report your gun missing and have it tracked by local law.
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Please make sure you read the statement correctly. I said black market (illegal) guns. ATF helps fight illegal gun trade, BUT like the drug trade going on is damn near impossible to stop and is still very real in the country. We also do not OWN the arms manufacturing market. The swiss, germans, italians, russians all make weapons. Some of those countries trade with anyone to make a buck.

So what your saying is that since other countries produce arms, we arent the leaders in that marketplace? Secondly, do you really think every illegal gun on the streets is smuggled into the country? The large majority of people that I know that illegally possess guns, just got someone who could purchase it with no problem in another state.
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Heavier regulations could involve annual psychological evaluations as well.
Being a leader and OWNING are two different things completely. I'm not going to go count how many people are killing others with a swiss vs russian weapon dude. You are fishing now. WHen you own a gun you are liable. You are required to report it by law if someone steals your weapon. Secondly, if you purchase a gun and give it to someone else, you are also liable and its a felony to distrubute firearms without a license. Look at what is in place. I loled at anual psych test. I am curious how you'd respond if you didn't have something bad happen to you and I'm sorry you did. I can only imagine, but what if you were able to carry concealed? That had the potential to change the outcome. All I'm saying is think realistically and about the potential impact to certain things. Like it was said before, I can see the emotion you are displaying.
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Being shot didnt change how I feel at all about guns. I still love guns, but times are changing, and gun laws need to be reexamined.
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Being a leader and OWNING are two different things completely. I'm not going to go count how many people are killing others with a swiss vs russian weapon dude. You are fishing now. WHen you own a gun you are liable. You are required to report it by law if someone steals your weapon. Secondly, if you purchase a gun and give it to someone else, you are also liable and its a felony to distrubute firearms without a license. Look at what is in place. I loled at anual psych test. I am curious how you'd respond if you didn't have something bad happen to you and I'm sorry you did. I can only imagine, but what if you were able to carry concealed? That had the potential to change the outcome. All I'm saying is think realistically and about the potential impact to certain things. Like it was said before, I can see the emotion you are displaying.
LOLOL the emotion im displaying? As I laid in the hospital bed, I spoke to my dad about what would have happened had I been armed. I definitely would have been ready and able to defend myself, but there were so many things that couldve gone wrong in that scenario. You cant just have a shootout at the OK corral here in NYC, so a bunch of people walking around packing wouldnt work. Even if I were armed, and got the upper hand somehow, would it really be worth taking 3 lives? Do you understand how having just one more firearm in the scene, greatly escalates everything? Imagine the madness if every player had one...
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LOLOL the emotion im displaying? As I laid in the hospital bed, I spoke to my dad about what would have happened had I been armed. I definitely would have been ready and able to defend myself, but there were so many things that couldve gone wrong in that scenario. You cant just have a shootout at the OK corral here in NYC, so a bunch of people walking around packing wouldnt work. Even if I were armed, and got the upper hand somehow, would it really be worth taking 3 lives? Do you understand how having just one more firearm in the scene, greatly escalates everything? Imagine the madness if every player had one...
If people were armed, meaning the legitimate, law abiding citizen and criminals knew that, 9 out of 10 times they would think twice about pulling a gun on someone or committing a crime against another. You will always have the idiots out there that just won't care, but if you could lower those odds, you would be for it. You look at the negative of everything it seems. I'm done with proving my point to you, so cheer up bro. Be happy and stop trying to put everyone on a leash like the other minority of America. Stop acting as if the minimal percentage of the population that has shot someone in cold blood is how the majority will act. Punishing all for a few bad apples is never right. NOMSAYIN?

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Old 12-12-2012, 08:22 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Even if I were armed, and got the upper hand somehow, would it really be worth taking 3 lives? Do you understand how having just one more firearm in the scene, greatly escalates everything? Imagine the madness if every player had one...
Thx Eli!
Finally some hope in this thread.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:39 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Punishing all for a few bad apples is never right. NOMSAYIN?
A few bad apples?? Haaaaaaaaaa
30,000 a year!

Oh and there are 1000 hit and run crimes a year...

Lets see 1000 vs 30,000 mmm yeah get rid of the cars.
Oh and since we are at it. Lets get rid of the forks too.

Why did they ban smoking in public places??
They sacrificed the rights of some for the well being of others.
Exactly what should happen with guns.
I rest my case.
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