Gun Control Debate thread

[slyder]

This doesn't help my argument but this was the shooting by me one month ago.

Multiple shooting at salon ex-marine

I stand behind all my posts. I wish this was more of a why people resort to this than the gun did this but I"m on topic.

[linvillegorge]

I just can't for the life of me wrap my mind around gunning down innocent people, much less kids. I think most people can imagine a scenario where they could be mad enough to kill someone. Those scenarios likely vary widely from person to person, but pushed far enough, most people would eventually bust a cap on a mother fucker. What I can't imagine is just opening fire on random people. Why? I think that's what makes things like this so hard to understand, sane people simply can't.

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by ThunderChunky

Unfortunately that's not the case. Though it's lower, it's not incredibly lower. I specifically remember a case were an officer went to a homecoming celebration and killed everyone. A whole company came home from deployment and was killed by their own when they walked in and saw their families. Suicide is a HUGE thing in the military too. We have to watch suicide prevention videos every damn day. They do quite the opposite.

this may also be a reason you dont see much gun violence there. The mentality about guns is different. The laws, respect, and training is all so different. Like in canada. If you get caught with a hand gun its jail time...no if ands or buts.

"To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security."

[slyder]

Originally Posted by linvillegorge

I just can't for the life of me wrap my mind around gunning down innocent people, much less kids. I think most people can imagine a scenario where they could be mad enough to kill someone. Those scenarios likely vary widely from person to person, but pushed far enough, most people would eventually bust a cap on a mother fucker. What I can't imagine is just opening fire on random people. Why? I think that's what makes things like this so hard to understand, sane people simply can't.

My thinking as well, what drives a person to gun down people he has never met. In the latest case children, granted he had some connection to the school and I believe he killed his mother as well. I haven't watched much of the coverage as it truly sickens me !!!!

I can't think of anything that could drive someone to just shoot random people in a public setting.

[linvillegorge]

I think the glorification of guns and the way they're portrayed in media contributes to this type of shit. There's no real educated, unbiased views. The majority of the news media preaches gun fear. The majority of TV/movie gun portrayal is unrealistic at best and downright irresponsible at worst. The firearm handling on TV and in movies is cringe inducing for responsible gun owners. Gun safety is out the window and wanton carelessness is the common theme. Plus, it just doesn't give a good perception of what a bullet does. You can't dive behind a car door or a desk or a wall and be safe from a bullet. A bullet will fly through that shit like a knife through hot butter. Even frangible bullets designed to break up upon impact will go through several layers of sheet rock first.

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by linvillegorge

I think the glorification of guns and the way they're portrayed in media contributes to this type of shit. There's no real educated, unbiased views. The majority of the news media preaches gun fear. The majority of TV/movie gun portrayal is unrealistic at best and downright irresponsible at worst. The firearm handling on TV and in movies is cringe inducing for responsible gun owners. Gun safety is out the window and wanton carelessness is the common theme. Plus, it just doesn't give a good perception of what a bullet does. You can't dive behind a car door or a desk or a wall and be safe from a bullet. A bullet will fly through that shit like a knife through hot butter. Even frangible bullets designed to break up upon impact will go through several layers of sheet rock first.

All true.

There probably needs to be a 4 pillar approach to the problem. Gun control would only be one pillar, but a necessary one.

[Sassicaia]

Good dabate....im taking off to take my GF and her cute friend out for a steak and wine. Hopefully i can get them drunk enough to make out with each other.

Wish me luck.

[EatRideSleep]

Originally Posted by seant46

I am Canadian and I agree. The system just needs to be regulated properly I think, but im not really sure if i agree with people having AR's however.

Yours was the first comment that didn't seem to be CAN v. USA. I agree with your statement.

Originally Posted by ARSENALFAN

I want to start out by stating that I respect all military veterans around the world, including the USA. They are brave men and women - much braver than I and I am not afraid to admit it.

But I have to tell you. You can keep your fucking military, your fucking drones, your fucking warheads, your fucking guantanamo and your fucking mentality. We don't want your help or your protection. In other words...thanks but no thanks. We will be just fine.

Comments like this and the one I quoted earlier are what surprised me. I'd surely appreciate a bordering country's help or protection.

Originally Posted by seant46

Yeah you were at least being constructive my comment was aimed more at the "i only like your country cuz of these sports derp" replys

I actually DO appreciate Canada for hockey. When Canadians are referring to Americans as dumb, and seeming unappreciative of what we can/do for their country, etc, it begins to appear to be the only thing. Which is obviously not the case. Just heated debate, which has run through this thread.

[Capita2JZGTE]

I think we can all agree this tragedy should have never happened. But to say that "if all guns were banned than this would have never happened" is foolish.

How many lives were saved in that school today because the teachers waited for the police to arrive and resolve the matter? ZERO

This is what the future holds for us if law abiding citizens are stripped of their rights to protect themselves and others.

The proof is slapping you in the face yet you refuse to accept it. Get over your agenda and look at what could have been, had the mother (the rightful owner of those firearms) been able to conceal carry in the school and protect herself and others.

[linvillegorge]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

Good dabate....im taking off to take my GF and her cute friend out for a steak and wine. Hopefully i can get them drunk enough to make out with each other.

Wish me luck.

This is a noble and worthwhile pursuit.