Gun Control Debate thread

[linvillegorge]

Originally Posted by Richie67

I just hope that going forward that Americans can understand that the right to bear arms does not need to include .223-calibre rifles.

What is so evil about the .223 caliber? Do you even know what it is? It's one of the weaker centerfire calibers out there. It's not legal to hunt big game with a .223 in most states. It's too weak.

[ThunderChunky]

Originally Posted by Richie67

The opinion of an outsider looking in.

The American love for their 2nd amendment is something the majority of us from other countries will never understand. Personally speaking I think its an absolute joke how easy it is in America to obtain a gun, I think gun violence in America is 100% directly related to the 2nd amendment and no I don't agree that everyone has the right to bear arms. Already I've heard comments from the gun lobby saying if the kindergarden teachers had guns this would not have happened.. its beyond belief how moronic that sounds to the rest of us around the world.

And you could agrue with me until you are red in the face, I still will never understand why the right to bear arms is so important. That said I also understand that you's will always have that right and that won't change. The pro gun lobby im America is far to strong. I just hope that going forward that Americans can understand that the right to bear arms does not need to include .223-calibre rifles.

So it's ok to own guns for hunting and sport right?

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by ThunderChunky

So it's ok to own guns for hunting and sport right?

yup...long barrel, not easily concealed, restricted ammo capacity, not semi automatic etc etc

[ThunderChunky]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

except in my word where I live those fucked up people with no morals cant walk into a walmart and walk out with a loaded hand gun 10 minutes later.

No one with half a brain is gonna argue that mentally unstable citizens should be able to own assault weapons. In my state the process for owning a gun is quite thorough. Getting a pistol and CC permit is beyond difficult. It's a states issue and should be, but there are some ground rules that should be set.

[ThunderChunky]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

yup...long barrel, not easily concealed, restricted ammo capacity, not semi automatic etc etc

Not semi automatic would be automatic? And also if it is ok to own firearms to hunt, but nothing larger than a .223 you wouldn't kill anything above fox unless you were sniper trained. An AR, which is what he used, is not easily concealable. Long barrel is also more dangerous in close quarters.

I do agree somewhat on the ammo restrictions though. Nothing absurd though. Here it is only five rounds which is ridiculous. I'm not sure of the answer, but at least a twenty round clip is acceptable.

[EatRideSleep]

Originally Posted by ThunderChunky

He used a .223 AR. That's not a pistol.

According to CNN, the .223 Bushmaster was found in the trunk of the car; the weapons found on him were the Glock and the Sig Sauer.

I live in a state where it's not super easy to obtain a firearm permit. Paperwork, background check, mental health record check, etc. But you know what? I don't mind that. I appreciate the pita it is to obtain one. However, that is for people seeking to obtain a firearm legally.

[that1guy]

If we only had muskets, it would make drive by's less dangerous

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by ThunderChunky

No one with half a brain is gonna argue that mentally unstable citizens should be able to own assault weapons. In my state the process for owning a gun is quite thorough. Getting a pistol and CC permit is beyond difficult. It's a states issue and should be, but there are some ground rules that should be set.

We dont disagree but there are a lot of people arguing control to the point that they should have access to all type of crazy firearms. They may not have half a brain, but they are political power houses. Also no one knows who is mentally unstable, and no one can predict when someone is who seems sane is going to crack. If you could then seemingly sane people in areas where "this never happens" would be able to be controlled. You cant control that...thats an illusion, and while people try to control it innocent people will die from bullets fired by social parasites.

[ThunderChunky]

Originally Posted by EatRideSleep

According to CNN, the .223 Bushmaster was found in the trunk of the car; the weapons found on him were the Glock and the Sig Sauer.

I live in a state where it's not super easy to obtain a firearm permit. Paperwork, background check, mental health record check, etc. But you know what? I don't mind that. I appreciate the pita it is to obtain one. However, that is for people seeking to obtain a firearm legally.

Sandy Hook Elementary shooting leaves 28 dead, law enforcement sources say - The Washington Post

This says different. I agree with those laws. We have them also in my state. Rifles are more lenient however.

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by ThunderChunky

Not semi automatic would be automatic? And also if it is ok to own firearms to hunt, but nothing larger than a .223 you wouldn't kill anything above fox unless you were sniper trained. An AR, which is what he used, is not easily concealable. Long barrel is also more dangerous in close quarters.

I do agree somewhat on the ammo restrictions though. Nothing absurd though. Here it is only five rounds which is ridiculous. I'm not sure of the answer, but at least a twenty round clip is acceptable.

Poor grammar on my part....

I could car less about caliber size. To me its more about being able to conceal the weapon, or the fact a weapon can deal massive amounts of sustains firepower.

Caliber has nothing to do with the gun problem.