Gun Control Debate thread

[Bones]

Originally Posted by sleev-les

The problem with the gun control debate is that people blame guns. The way its seen is thats the problem. Taking them away would awaken a whole other method of murder. Until we live in a perfect society, the ability to protect ourselves is needed.

NOT TRUE!

In 1991, 15 years after Washington, D.C. banned handguns, researchers from the University of Maryland conducted a study to assess the impact of the ban. They tracked homicides and suicides in the district from 1968 to 1987 and found that homicides by firearm fell by 25 percent and suicides committed with firearms dropped by 23 percent. Murders and suicides committed by other means neither rose nor fell—in other words, people didn’t use other methods to commit an act they already wanted to commit. And there was no similar reduction found in the adjacent metropolitan areas in Maryland and Virginia.

[backstop13]

Originally Posted by Bones

NOT TRUE!

In 1991, 15 years after Washington, D.C. banned handguns, researchers from the University of Maryland conducted a study to assess the impact of the ban. They tracked homicides and suicides in the district from 1968 to 1987 and found that homicides by firearm fell by 25 percent and suicides committed with firearms dropped by 23 percent. Murders and suicides committed by other means neither rose nor fell—in other words, people didn’t use other methods to commit an act they already wanted to commit. And there was no similar reduction found in the adjacent metropolitan areas in Maryland and Virginia.

this report says otherwise

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive | The American Civil Rights Union

i think as a whole, gun crime has been dropping across the US since the 90's. That's the last stat I remember reading anyways...

[sleev-les]

Originally Posted by Bones

NOT TRUE!

In 1991, 15 years after Washington, D.C. banned handguns, researchers from the University of Maryland conducted a study to assess the impact of the ban. They tracked homicides and suicides in the district from 1968 to 1987 and found that homicides by firearm fell by 25 percent and suicides committed with firearms dropped by 23 percent. Murders and suicides committed by other means neither rose nor fell—in other words, people didn’t use other methods to commit an act they already wanted to commit. And there was no similar reduction found in the adjacent metropolitan areas in Maryland and Virginia.

Bro, I'm pretty much done with this thread. I've said my piece and come to a logical idea of what could be done and looking at root problems with the more logical posters (not meaning others haven't provided decent feedback). You have no way to really tell the impact as a nation based off of DC. You wouldn't know the true effect until someone actually flipped the switch and we saw first hand what happens. You think option A, I think option B. Difference of opinion... sure. Conflicting reports everywhere.... absolutely... So you do your thing as you have the right to do and I'll do mine. No need to continue to harp on the same comment over and over. Even with disagreement, there isn't one person in this thread I wouldn't have a beer with and shred some lines since we all voiced our opinions as we should.

[KIRKRIDER]

View from abroad: Sorrow, but little hope for U.S. gun control - CNN.com

"Nowhere have mass shootings been as prevalent as the United States, and nowhere has the policy reaction been so pathetic," he wrote this weekend.
Brian Masters, writing in the UK's Daily Telegraph, agreed.
"No American politician will have the nerve to propose the only cure to this repetitive insanity, which would be a sensible, mature and responsible attitude towards the ownership and use of guns," he predicted.
In the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, commentator Tzipi Shmilovitz was more brutal.
"America is not ready to talk about how it is easier to get a handgun than it is to see a doctor, not ready to speak about the video games that have extreme violence. It is just willing to sweep up everything under the carpet of tears."
And over at Haaretz, one of Israel's leading commentators, Chemi Shalev, lamented a "combustible mix of angry American young men, often disturbed and usually white, spurred on by the pervasive and always growing presence of limitless violence in popular American culture, together with the easy-access, open market of guns and ammo, which together produce these shooting slaughters with such sickening regularity. ...
"And if you pour in the often gruesome violence so rampant in the computer and video games that so many American boys are weaned on and addicted to, it should come as no surprise, perhaps, that not only are the most evil and inhuman of mass murders possible, they may soon become commonplace," he added.

[snowklinger]

Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER

View from abroad: Sorrow, but little hope for U.S. gun control - CNN.com

"Nowhere have mass shootings been as prevalent as the United States, and nowhere has the policy reaction been so pathetic," he wrote this weekend.
Brian Masters, writing in the UK's Daily Telegraph, agreed.
"No American politician will have the nerve to propose the only cure to this repetitive insanity, which would be a sensible, mature and responsible attitude towards the ownership and use of guns," he predicted.
In the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, commentator Tzipi Shmilovitz was more brutal.
"America is not ready to talk about how it is easier to get a handgun than it is to see a doctor, not ready to speak about the video games that have extreme violence. It is just willing to sweep up everything under the carpet of tears."
And over at Haaretz, one of Israel's leading commentators, Chemi Shalev, lamented a "combustible mix of angry American young men, often disturbed and usually white, spurred on by the pervasive and always growing presence of limitless violence in popular American culture, together with the easy-access, open market of guns and ammo, which together produce these shooting slaughters with such sickening regularity. ...
"And if you pour in the often gruesome violence so rampant in the computer and video games that so many American boys are weaned on and addicted to, it should come as no surprise, perhaps, that not only are the most evil and inhuman of mass murders possible, they may soon become commonplace," he added.

I agree with most of the first half of this and don't disagree with any. I always wonder how accurate or poignant the stabs at entertainment are: death metal, the Beatles, video games, boxing, UFC, etc.... These things seem to be just thrown into the arguments as obvious ways to beef it up....I just wonder if the actual culprits have to do with deeper realities of living in a modern technological world...the utter loss of faith in the government and family, for example?

The fact that our country has been killing people in the Middle East for fun forever and none of us really mind at all seems to have alot more to do with our callous attitude toward death and violence than because I can beat Contra without up up down down LRLR etc...

[KIRKRIDER]

I hope this last tragedy will actually prompt a change in everybody's mind. and therefore an action under the form of a law, where NO ONE can own more than a gun, and background yearly checks to make it such a pain in the ass that takes ALL the "fun factor" out of it. Violence cannot be associated to fun. And weapons are the ultimate violence tool.

Crazy nut jobs are all over the world. Why here in US they manage to get a bulletproof vest and 3-4 automatic rifles? On regular basis???

[goyo]

Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER

I hope this last tragedy will actually prompt a change in everybody's mind. and therefore an action under the form of a law, where NO ONE can own more than a gun, and background yearly checks to make it such a pain in the ass that takes ALL the "fun factor" out of it. Violence cannot be associated to fun. And weapons are the ultimate violence tool.

:eusa_ clap:

[C.B.]

Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER

I hope this last tragedy will actually prompt a change in everybody's mind. and therefore an action under the form of a law, where NO ONE can own more than a gun, and background yearly checks to make it such a pain in the ass that takes ALL the "fun factor" out of it. Violence cannot be associated to fun. And weapons are the ultimate violence tool.

Crazy nut jobs are all over the world. Why here in US they manage to get a bulletproof vest and 3-4 automatic rifles? On regular basis???

You can't get an automatic weapon without a class 3 weapons permit, which is very expensive and hard to get. Not very many people have it.

I'm not a huge fan of putting further regulations on long guns. Maybe handguns though. And I'm all for improved background checks.

[ThunderChunky]

Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER

I hope this last tragedy will actually prompt a change in everybody's mind. and therefore an action under the form of a law, where NO ONE can own more than a gun, and background yearly checks to make it such a pain in the ass that takes ALL the "fun factor" out of it. Violence cannot be associated to fun. And weapons are the ultimate violence tool.

Crazy nut jobs are all over the world. Why here in US they manage to get a bulletproof vest and 3-4 automatic rifles? On regular basis???

You people don't listen. Bans like this have been tried. NOTHING changed. This is not going to solve the problem.

I now this is a gun control thread, this is what is meant to be discussed. But if you people really want this to stop happening you need to stop worrying about gun control, how parents raise their kids, and the media, and worry about the person to your left and right. Because that is the only way the world is going to change.

If we eliminate the cause of these shootings gun control will be a non-issue. Gun control is only a band-aid.

Like I said before "With freedom comes responsibility" If you want to live in a place where we are truly free AND safe we need to take responsibility. Every single one of us is responsible for the actions of our country.

Carry on, but gun control isn't going to fix this issue until the problem is addressed. And that is no piece of legislation, it's just old fashioned good people.

[slyder]

Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER

Why here in US they manage to get a bulletproof vest and 3-4 automatic rifles? On regular basis???

same reason they can get crack, marijuana, heroine, cocaine, steroids without much effort. These items wreck more lives than can probably be tallied

My biggest fear is copy cat's.