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Old 11-22-2010, 09:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm not sure about all this religion stuff and reading old texts and books and going into big fancy buildings with stained glass. all that stuff I don't really care for. but I know the closest I've ever felt to god is when I'm out there on the huge mountain ripping through deep pow. that much I do know. or just out in nature at all. I think that makes me a deist. but I haven't researched the topic enough to know. but apparently that's what Ben Franklin and many of the other founding fathers were.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:49 AM   #22 (permalink)
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to me, atheism itself feels too much like a religion.
Atheism is too hard to define for me to subscribe to. For some, it is the absolute certain belief that there is no God. For others, it is the pure definition; a simple LACK of belief. How do you place yourself in a group that cannot even completely define itself? And Atheist comes with just as many stigmas as Christian. You suddenly get lumped with Pagans and criminals and social deviants by the Christian right. I have too much apathy to commit to something like that...

I just go by Agnostic and call it a day.
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:43 AM   #23 (permalink)
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You suddenly get lumped with Pagans and criminals and social deviants by the Christian right.
Not really a unique situation though. Democrat/Republican, Prolife/Prochoice, Paper/Plastic...
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I think if atheists were indulging a 'working theory', then they would be of the agnostic strain. Atheists (from my understanding of the term) have already settled a conclusion based upon evidence already considered.

they therefore exercise faith in the probability that future evidence will never come about, which would necessitate a change to their determination.

i can see how atheistic individuals perhaps have a capacity to eat humble pie and admit to being wrong, more so than god botherers... but ego can be a powerful thing and so what sort of evidence of god's existance would be strong enough, not to be denied?

it would be interesting to see i think.

WHy is it so hard to understand. Atheism means absence of belief in a deity. Does not means FAITH in disproving your superstitious belief system or any other in the world. DO you believe in Zeus? No? Then you're an atheist of that belief system. That is all. Is it so ahard to grasp? Or just because you're a believer you just can't fathom a life with any superstition?

You need to prove the (absurd) logic of your belief system...don't try to make me dispove something You made up....lol Nice try...but it's an old trick.
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Atheist means unbeliever. Its done that way on purpose. Without any belief (in yourself for instance) you are doomed.
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Atheist means unbeliever. Its done that way on purpose. Without any belief (in yourself for instance) you are doomed.
Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]

The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god", which was applied with a negative connotation to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to identify themselves as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century.[7]
Today, about 2.3% of the world's population describes itself as atheist, while a further 11.9% is described as nonreligious.[8] Between 64% and 65% of Japanese are atheists, agnostics, or do not believe in God.[9] In Europe, the estimated percentage of atheists, agnostics and other nonbelievers in a personal god ranges as low as single digits in Poland, Romania, Cyprus, and some other countries,[10] and up to 85% in Sweden (where 17% identify themselves as atheists), 80% in Denmark, 72% in Norway, and 60% in Finland.[9]
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]The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god", which was applied with a negative connotation to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society.
Well see, even they where negative about it. So say someone believes in "humanity" or a "collective soul" then what would call this belief in a higher power that is not directly a deity?

The way it stands written there is no middle ground, either you believe in a deity or you are doomed, right?
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Well see, even they where negative about it. So say someone believes in "humanity" or a "collective soul" then what would call this belief in a higher power that is not directly a deity?

The way it stands written there is no middle ground, either you believe in a deity or you are doomed, right?
How would I call it? A belief system...something you made up to try to explain the much complex questions of life.
that' doesn't make it true. does it?
The BELIEVERS were negative about it...A word is not negative or positive...it's just an explanation we attach to an action. the opinion of that action generally depends on our intelligence, culture, flexibility...and superstition if present.

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WHy is it so hard to understand. Atheism means absence of belief in a deity. Does not means FAITH in disproving your superstitious belief system or any other in the world. DO you believe in Zeus? No? Then you're an atheist of that belief system. That is all. Is it so ahard to grasp? Or just because you're a believer you just can't fathom a life with any superstition?

You need to prove the (absurd) logic of your belief system...don't try to make me dispove something You made up....lol Nice try...but it's an old trick.
i think you have mistaken me for someone else.

my belief is this and it is far from 'superstitious':

in the study of knowing absolutely everything there is to know (and i mean absolutely every last damn thing,) humankind is a long way from closing the books.

until every last inch of heaven and the human spirit has been identified, documented and scrutinised to exhaustion, there is still a small (perhap insignificant) probability that a deistic entity exists.

in fact, the mere presence of such a concept could be the very existance you so vehemently choose to deny.

Do i believe in Zeus? about as much as i do in any other religious / cult / popular figure head. does this mean i 'know' it / he / she never existed? of course not; how could i 'know'?
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