Gun Control Debate thread

[Donutz]

Originally Posted by Capita2JZGTE

Again you ignore the fact that at least in America, guns have statistically been shown to save more innocent lives than to take lives, in terms of defensive deployment vs murders; and you can argue with statistics all day in order to legitimize your agenda but the facts remain.

Obviously nobody in this forum is going to be swayed to change sides so really it's a pointless debate.

But I hope some of you can at least open your minds to all of the aspects surrounding this discussion,

Interesting that you're complaining about everyone "ignoring facts" yet you haven't even come close to responding to anyone else's points. All you do is repeat the same mantra and complain about how no-one else can handle "facts". How about actually participating in the discussion instead of just pontificating?

[Sassicaia]

Now is the time to talk guns, mental illness - CNN.com

"This nation, whether we want to admit it not, is one that is fascinated and enraptured with guns. It courses through our veins like heroin shooting through the arms of an addict. We love to see it in our movies, video games, on television, and then we'll fiercely defend the right to bear arms, all while flagrantly waving the U.S. Constitution in the face of anyone who objects."

"There is absolutely no reason why we need as many guns in America. None. It simply shouldn't be the way of life others are so quick to defend. There is absolutely no doubt that we need tough and stringent gun control. Not solely to prevent murders like those in Connecticut, but to remove the option when someone is angered, depressed or in the case of too many, mentally ill."

[StreetDoc]

Originally Posted by Snowolf

Oh, my bad. I thought when he posted "VT" he meant "CT". Still, I stand by my point that it is these weapons that have been used far more than pistols that we should be focused on. If I went crazy and walked into a mall with Ruger, I have six shots and it takes time to empty the cylinder and reload. If I freak out and go into the mall with a bushmaster, I have 50 rounds with as many additional 50 round clips as I can carry and it takes less than 2 seconds to drop a clip and slam another in. We have far bigger priorities than handguns. His personal issues with handguns are blinding his vision to the bigger problem.

seriously dude? he wasn't shooting them from 100yds. Any gun would do the trick at classroom range. You can get a 30rd magazine for a glock too. Your argument doesn't hold up. I can also carry more 30rd glock magazines then AR magazines. Now what?

To prove your ignorance an AR magazine is 20-30 rounds also...

[Edge]

Limit magazine size.

Now what?

[budderbear]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

My personal issues are with both hand guns and assault rifles. My issues are with them equally. Both are not needed for the general public and service nothing for the betterment of society, and in fact do the opposite.

I hope you get eaten by a bear someday That is if you actually get out and go hiking ever... I don't know about others but I don't enjoy carrying a 7+ lb rifle or shotgun with me every time I wanna go hiking. Also I'm referring more to Alaska then Colorado but still...

[StreetDoc]

Originally Posted by budderbear

I hope you get eaten by a bear someday That is if you actually get out and go hiking ever... I don't know about others but I don't enjoy carrying a 7+ lb rifle or shotgun with me every time I wanna go hiking.

except the bears here are really like big dogs...

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by budderbear

I hope you get eaten by a bear someday That is if you actually get out and go hiking ever...

I hike 3 times a week in the summer in bear country. I carry counter assault which is actually more successful and easier as a deterrent against a bear then a gun. I know...ive used it against a black bear. Easy, and the bear didnt have to die either.

like i said earlier....there were 2 deaths from bears last year in your country and mine combined. If it came down to allowing everyone to have hand guns and assault rifle vs those two people being eaten...id say let the bears win every time.

[budderbear]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

I hike 3 times a week in the summer in bear country. I carry counter assault which is actually more successful and easier as a deterrent against a bear then a gun. I know...ive used it against a black bear. Easy, and the bear didnt have to die either.

like i said earlier....there were 2 deaths from bears last year in your country and mine combined. If it came down to allowing everyone to have hand guns and assault rifle vs those two people being eaten...id say let the bears win every time.

Maybe because people took guns with themselves and defended themselves ? You take your pepper spray, I'll take my S&W 500 When you have someone break into your house and threaten you or your family with a gun maybe you'll wish you had one. How many crimes were stopped last year because of gun holders ? Assuming you have a wife or girlfriend, would you rather her get raped one day in an ally or have a deringer in her purse? Could she fit a rifle in that same purse? Pepper spray works on most humans but not pissed off ones on drugs like pcp. Sure it'll deter most bears, but not the pissed off one that is determined to eat you. Also, yes only 2 people where KILLED, but how many injured ? Because a couple idiots had to go shoot some places up is no excuse to say that pistols don't have their place. I do agree their is no need for assult rifles though, I can't think of one circumstance you would need an assult rifle, and definitely not with more then 10-15 rounds.

p.s. Most crime is committed with illegal weapons. Outlawing guns only harms the innocent citizens who would no longer be able to protect themselves. The guns where legal but they weren't even his, they where his moms. He shot her, stole her guns(registered to her, most likely bought for him), and car, and went to the school. For ever 1 nutjob there are "probably" a million honest law abiding normal citizens who respect guns. What happened was tragic no doubt, but how many people died that same day from starvation in Africa? We have far bigger problems in this world then guns. I would look forward to your rebuttal, but I'm done with this thread so have fun dismantling my comments without me

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by budderbear

Maybe because people took guns with themselves and defended themselves ? You take your pepper spray, I'll take my S&W 500

Well where you live you have to defend yourself against people with guns. Thats the problem.

[Cr0_Reps_Smit]

Originally Posted by StreetDoc

seriously dude? he wasn't shooting them from 100yds. Any gun would do the trick at classroom range. You can get a 30rd magazine for a glock too. Your argument doesn't hold up. I can also carry more 30rd glock magazines then AR magazines. Now what?

To prove your ignorance an AR magazine is 20-30 rounds also...

you know you can get 50 and 60 round magazines for the AR right?