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Old 12-15-2012, 08:50 PM   #301 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Cr0_Reps_Smit View Post
you know you can get 50 and 60 round magazines for the AR right?
standard magazine is 30rds. The gun in the picture is a 30rd magazine. You could also get a drum... not the point. The point is you can get high cap. hand gun mags too, his argument is not sound.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:13 PM   #302 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by budderbear View Post
p.s. Most crime is committed with illegal weapons. Outlawing guns only harms the innocent citizens who would no longer be able to protect themselves.
You appear to be saying that death by illegal guns would increase if innocent citizens aren't able to protect themselves with legal guns.

Unfortunately, the facts do not support that hypothesis.

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Old 12-15-2012, 10:19 PM   #303 (permalink)
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Well I for one enjoy living somewhere where I don't have to worry about someone with a gun attacking my family.

In the extremely rare event that some nut with a knife steps up I will be happy to take him on and feel confident I could at least save my family and get away injured rather than dead.

I also spend time in Switzerland and always feel very safe there too.

If society is more balanced and stable and their is good education and training, guns can be available without such frequent tragedies.

Seems to me that the current US society doesn't tick any of the above boxes.

I just don't get that guns are needed to protect you from your government.

As someone said the military will not turn on US citizens even if told to by government and if they did a large dumb populous with guns will not make things that difficult IMO. Fighter jets, helicopters, bombs, missiles and tanks. Your guns do nothing against these.

Also your patriot act has destroyed many basic human rights, nobody says boo yet the 2nd amendment gets everyone huffing and puffing.

Ultimately, I agree that the issue is more to do with society and the number of mentally ill and deranged people. What is going on in the US to produce these people?

Granted there are similar cases in other countries, but the mass murdering mentally ill are seemingly much more frequent in the US. Sadly these deeper social issues are very hard to solve and take lots of time.

In the meantime at least stricter controls and especially controls on the types of weapons are an obvious stand in measure.

If I lived in the US I would own a gun, I would need one to feel safe.

Here in Japan I don't, nor in Switzerland nor Canada.

To me that speaks volumes.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:43 PM   #304 (permalink)
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those who want gun control should really understand the way things work in america not what the media tells us (lies). anyway our border on mexico isnt exactly great. soo many drugs and illegal weapons get thru. by regulating firearms you take guns away from good people and leave them in the hands of bad. it really isnt hard to get illegal weapons. people get mac 11 and things like that. my view is if you cant control the flow of something like drugs across the boder, what makes you think guns will be different?
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:03 AM   #305 (permalink)
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I just saw this floating around FB and liked it, not sure of the facts but I still like it.

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Old 12-16-2012, 12:17 AM   #306 (permalink)
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:33 AM   #307 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Additionally, defense from Bears really is a legitimate argument. In many bush villages in Alaska and Canada, armed citizens must escort kids to school because of Polar bears.
this! Black bears (most common where I live) are actually fairly timid and won't bother you if they have a choice. But polar bears just consider humans to be food that walks funny.

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Old 12-16-2012, 12:34 AM   #308 (permalink)
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I understand the allure of a handgun. I always thought it would be kind of neat to have one. As Snowwolf pointed out, I thought it would be excellent to have one when fly fishing in Grizzly territory instead of carrying around the Remington Marine Magnum 12 guage I used to have. But they will never allow us to carry handguns in Canada so it is a mute point. We have to get a special licence, keep it locked in a case, and call the government to tell them which firing range we are going to, what time we are leaving and when we will be returning. If you mess up, your in real trouble. I now carry pepper spray but had a discussion with a friend earlier this year about getting another shotgun. I just became emotionally charged when I heard about this latest shooting and went off. I can't wrap my mind around what happened nor can I wrap my mind around how easy it is to get a gun in the US and whether there really is a need for citizens to be armed like they are. Fewer guns has to mean fewer deaths, but I understand why law abiding citizens get pissed thinking about the government slapping bans on handguns. I just think this may be the point where some freedom is given up in hopes of a safer country. I will be praying for the families tonight. What beautiful innocent children they were.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:52 AM   #309 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by slyder View Post
I just saw this floating around FB and liked it, not sure of the facts but I still like it.

Nancy Lanza had fears about the ecomony and because she had a nice property she thought it would be best to buy the rifles her son used in the rampage to protect her home.

Its definately not as simple as more gun control, I honestly believe theres something seriously wrong with the mentality of your average American when they live in so much fear that the answer is to buy multiple semi automatic rifles then proceed to show their son how each work. I can't get my head around the logic that carrying more guns is the solution.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:55 AM   #310 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by ARSENALFAN View Post
Fewer guns has to mean fewer deaths
as i pointed out that is completely opposite as it is very easy to obtain illegal weapons. they usually go from Russia to mexico then smuggled across the border
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