Gun Control Debate thread

[slyder]

Originally Posted by Edge

Then limit how much ammunition people can have.

Really this will stop people from having ammo.
My dad has had a melting pot and casts for ammo since I was maybe 8yr old. He had me helping cast bullets since I can remember.

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Originally Posted by Edge

Stop kidding yourself that an ancient slip of paper has any relevance in modern society.

So we should just throw out the constitution. Any human being can be the president of our country. No more freedom of religion, No right to vote unless the vote agrees with your beliefs. Nice to know where our society is headed. Maybe it's thoughts like this that is leading us into darker days !!!!

[sleev-les]

Originally Posted by Bones

Obviously, recurring checks aren't a perfect solution as they cannot catch every unbalanced person. They can, however, catch many more than merely doing nothing.



Why not?



So your answer is to do nothing and give them an easy means to commit an atrocity?

For every Timothy McVey who is willing to plan for months, how many gun deaths are committed in the heat of the moment would be eliminated?




While I respect to your right to hold any opinion you like, opinions are not facts. The significantly lower rate of gun deaths and guns used in crimes in countries with gun restrictions is a fact.

Frankly the need for every drunk, jealous ex-husband to find a Mexican smuggler would be an excellent deterrent.

So you want freedoms to be subjective? You want the vast majority to be restricted because of the sick minority? If there were no guns, the jealous husband can more easily get a knife out of his kitchen. Guns are not the problem, the person is. People that argue against guns have blinders on and still fail to see that criminal is criminal. Take away one tool, they find another. This is how it is and pointing the fingers at a gun is a weak excuse.

For Edge and the comment about an old slip of paper, I have no respect for anything you post because you have no respect for this country.

[sleev-les]

Originally Posted by StreetDoc

What about this one?

MILLER: Gun ownership up, crime down - Washington Times

[StreetDoc]

part of the problem in this argument is American citizens are arguing with citizens of another country. You aren't going to get them to understand our culture on a message forum. Case in point- who ever said the constitution is an old piece of paper. It's a little ridiculous that you're bordering on telling us about our country and what's wrong with us when you don't live here...

[Edge]

Originally Posted by StreetDoc

part of the problem in this argument is American citizens are arguing with citizens of another country. You aren't going to get them to understand our culture on a message forum. Case in point- who ever said the constitution is an old piece of paper. It's a little ridiculous that you're bordering on telling us about our country and what's wrong with us when you don't live here...

Try think outside your own little world for a second. An outside perspective might actually do you some good. Worked for me in the past. Fortunately I'm in constant touch with many American friends, and have the intelligence level to empathise. Just because I live in a different country does not mean I can't understand.

[sleev-les]

Originally Posted by StreetDoc

part of the problem in this argument is American citizens are arguing with citizens of another country. You aren't going to get them to understand our culture on a message forum. Case in point- who ever said the constitution is an old piece of paper. It's a little ridiculous that you're bordering on telling us about our country and what's wrong with us when you don't live here...

This is true. Debate with outside influence warrants nothing because there is no basis for their argument.

Originally Posted by Edge

Try think outside your own little world for a second. An outside perspective might actually do you some good. Worked for me in the past. Fortunately I'm in constant touch with many American friends, and have the intelligence level to empathise. Just because I live in a different country does not mean I can't understand.

Bro, not saying your an ass of a person, but your slander to our constitution shows your lack in respect, hence not getting any back on this issue. Being in touch and having an understanding from living here are 2 very different things.

[Edge]

Originally Posted by Snowolf

Hey! Not every American buys into this. I certainly don't fear my government to this degree. I have never bought into this idea that a bunch of fat, balding middle aged white guys running around the woods of Michigan dressed in cammo and playing soldier is any deterrent to the Guv'met......LOL these "militia" movements are a joke and an embarrassment.

As I see it, personal firearms have 4 legitimate purposes:

1) hunting
2) sport
3) personal protection
4) collector value

True, I shouldn't generalise. My apologies. And true about the other two purposes for owning a firearm too. I'm not as concerned with sport and collector value. They aren't taking lives.

Originally Posted by slyder

Really this will stop people from having ammo.
My dad has had a melting pot and casts for ammo since I was maybe 8yr old. He had me helping cast bullets since I can remember.

A deterrent if nothing else. Most people in the UK don't buy weed. It's illegal. I can still buy weed if I really want it. As long as the majority don't, it's hardly going to be an issue. I doubt we will be playing witness to any civil wars being won with homemade ammunition anytime soon.

So we should just throw out the constitution. Any human being can be the president of our country. No more freedom of religion, No right to vote unless the vote agrees with your beliefs. Nice to know where our society is headed. Maybe it's thoughts like this that is leading us into darker days !!!!

I didn't say throw out. Core beliefs and truths are necessary. About time you revamped and reworked though. What applied back then no longer holds true. Changes must be made. Learn that.

Originally Posted by sleev-les

For Edge and the comment about an old slip of paper, I have no respect for anything you post because you have no respect for this country.

Respect is earned, not given. You and your country have no right to my respect until you do something worth respecting. And that's something that I haven't seen in my admittedly short life thus far, whether you want it or not. Not that I blame you or any other American personally. It's a majority thing.

[Edge]

Originally Posted by sleev-les

This is true. Debate with outside influence warrants nothing because there is no basis for their argument.

You also underestimate the importance of an outside perspective. You're clouded. There is nothing complicated about being an American.

Bro, not saying your an ass of a person, but your slander to our constitution shows your lack in respect, hence not getting any back on this issue. Being in touch and having an understanding from living here are 2 very different things.

You call it slander, I call it realism. Apologies if I offended, I didn't realise it would touch a nerve with some of you. But times change. You can't live your life by the same laws that worked in the past. You have to adapt to modern life, or witness the consequences.

[sleev-les]

Originally Posted by Edge

You also underestimate the importance of an outside perspective. You're clouded. There is nothing complicated about being an American.



You call it slander, I call it realism. Apologies if I offended, I didn't realise it would touch a nerve with some of you. But times change. You can't live your life by the same laws that worked in the past. You have to adapt to modern life, or witness the consequences.

I am far from clouded. I see the reality and recourse of banning guns. You do not just because you have a few friends and the media. The media loves to point to the negative and not the positive. If you do not believe in arms ownership, then so be it. Ultimately I will not judge you and your belief if you respect my right to own guns all in the same. This country turns more into conformity of the minority voice and not the rights that it was founded on. 200 years ago or not, that is the foundation of this country. You do not just go uproot it and think that is the correct change and approach.

[Edge]

Originally Posted by sleev-les

I am far from clouded. I see the reality and recourse of banning guns. You do not just because you have a few friends and the media. The media loves to point to the negative and not the positive. If you do not believe in arms ownership, then so be it. Ultimately I will not judge you and your belief if you respect my right to own guns all in the same. This country turns more into conformity of the minority voice and not the rights that it was founded on. 200 years ago or not, that is the foundation of this country. You do not just go uproot it and think that is the correct change and approach.

Would it interest you to know that I have read or listened to absolutely no reports on the current events? My opinions have been completely formed from reading each different perspective in this topic, and my initial thoughts on being made aware that this tragedy occurred.

Possibly making me the least media-influenced person in this thread. Because I haven't paid attention, simply put.

You don't have to uproot the foundations to.. trim the branches a little Again, core values and morals don't change. But the specifics do. As Snowolf said.. Welcome to Democracy.