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Old 12-16-2012, 06:27 PM   #351 (permalink)
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Would it interest you to know that I have read or listened to absolutely no reports on the current events? My opinions have been completely formed from reading each different perspective in this topic, and my initial thoughts on being made aware that this tragedy occurred.

Possibly making me the least media-influenced person in this thread. Because I haven't paid attention, simply put.

You don't have to uproot the foundations to.. trim the branches a little Again, core values and morals don't change. But the specifics do. As Snowolf said.. Welcome to Democracy.
I respect change, not abolishment. If they want to put some tools in place to lower the risk of the nuts getting guns, thats fine. I even said earlier I'd be fine with going for a permit renew every x amount of years or whatever the method be to help that. Taking away core rights is what I am firmly against just because a fraction of a percent ruin the majority abiding the laws. When you look at sheer statistics, taking everyones guns doesn't solve the problem. Looking at me like I'm the bad guy because I have an assault rifle for sport is no more than a biased and jaded opinion that has been composed because of a few bad apples.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:32 PM   #352 (permalink)
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I respect change, not abolishment. If they want to put some tools in place to lower the risk of the nuts getting guns, thats fine. I even said earlier I'd be fine with going for a permit renew every x amount of years or whatever the method be to help that. Taking away core rights is what I am firmly against just because a fraction of a percent ruin the majority abiding the laws. When you look at sheer statistics, taking everyones guns doesn't solve the problem. Looking at me like I'm the bad guy because I have an assault rifle for sport is no more than a biased and jaded opinion that has been composed because of a few bad apples.

To be fair, I never said abolish or throw it your constitution. However, your perception is your reality.

And it's true, and it sucks. You think this is the first time one person has ruined it for the majority? You've got to realise that there are things that you can live without, if it's going to help save the lives of hundreds of innocent children in the future. There are always going to be things that change because the minority whine about it, and sometimes, it's not right to give in to it. But this time, it's important.
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The issue I have is you know nothing of our history. I spent (as well as everyone else that went to school in America) 12 years of school learning about US history and our laws, origins, etc.
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The issue I have is you know nothing of our history. I spent (as well as everyone else that went to school in America) 12 years of school learning about US history and our laws, origins, etc.
I know enough US history to know that I don't need to know more US history. You're living in the past. I wouldn't disregard your opinion on a UK issue because you don't know what happened at the Battle of Graveney Marsh in 1940. Do you understand the anecdote? (Not trying to be patronising, just trying to explain my POV)

Perhaps if the US education system focused more on the rest of the world, science and actual academic subjects, I wouldn't have to spend my Wednesday night live stream facepalming at Americans trying to convince me that a triangle has four sides. But, that's a different discussion (;
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To be fair, I never said abolish or throw it your constitution. However, your perception is your reality.

And it's true, and it sucks. You think this is the first time one person has ruined it for the majority? You've got to realise that there are things that you can live without, if it's going to help save the lives of hundreds of innocent children in the future. There are always going to be things that change because the minority whine about it, and sometimes, it's not right to give in to it. But this time, it's important.
Bro, as I've said before. Guns aren't the root. The sick minded individual is. That kid could have easily googled how to make a damn bomb, go into the janitors closet and find exactly what he needed to possible kill even more people. The problem with the gun control debate is that people blame guns. The way its seen is thats the problem. Taking them away would awaken a whole other method of murder. Until we live in a perfect society, the ability to protect ourselves is needed. Typically, the anti gun lobbyist are the first to change their mind when something happens to them.
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Bro, as I've said before. Guns aren't the root. The sick minded individual is. That kid could have easily googled how to make a damn bomb, go into the janitors closet and find exactly what he needed to possible kill even more people. The problem with the gun control debate is that people blame guns. The way its seen is thats the problem. Taking them away would awaken a whole other method of murder. Until we live in a perfect society, the ability to protect ourselves is needed. Typically, the anti gun lobbyist are the first to change their mind when something happens to them.
That's an understandable point of view, but the ease of acquiring an assault rifle isn't going to deter someone, compared to someone making an IED. Mental cases will always exist. But what it has done, is brought bigger issues to light. Depends if you still believe this is just about one mental kid and a school, or if it's about the ease of which a massacre could occur.
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That's an understandable point of view, but the ease of acquiring an assault rifle isn't going to deter someone, compared to someone making an IED. Mental cases will always exist. But what it has done, is brought bigger issues to light. Depends if you still believe this is just about one mental kid and a school, or if it's about the ease of which a massacre could occur.
So with that, I go back to saying I'll go to a class to keep my guns or more intense background checks (using this as an example for possibly deterents). I do it for my job due to where I work (which also intensifies my belief in gun ownership) so I don't have a problem doing so every so often. A massacre can occur too if that same kid got in a semi and drove it down a crowded sidewalk. Opportunities are all around for this kind of person which they would take advantage of.
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So with that, I go back to saying I'll go to a class to keep my guns or more intense background checks (using this as an example for possibly deterents). I do it for my job due to where I work (which also intensifies my belief in gun ownership) so I don't have a problem doing so every so often. A massacre can occur too if that same kid got in a semi and drove it down a crowded sidewalk. Opportunities are all around for this kind of person which they would take advantage of.
True that.

More intense background checks are absolutely necessary.

But there is still one kicker - None of you need an assault rifle.
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True that.

More intense background checks are absolutely necessary.

But there is still one kicker - None of you need an assault rifle.
That's the thing right there, what exactly constitutes an "assault rifle".
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True that.

More intense background checks are absolutely necessary.

But there is still one kicker - None of you need an assault rifle.
Now you are going into need vs want lol.... I don't need one, but I want one . The mess I go through at work has become second nature and if they did that for guns, I'd have no problem with that. In the end, I'm staying optimistic that our government doesn't go all Hitler due to this event. The next few weeks will tell.
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