Gun Control Debate thread

[StreetDoc]

Originally Posted by kaka

This is why this topic is such a great topic for debate, there are so many variables, and having been robbed, you would have more of an emotional/passionate view on something like this. I expect you want to hear 1 of 2 things, either to agree with you, ie. arm yourself and let fly, or to say remain unarmed and get robbed/killed? I think if faced with that situation, most would want the "protection".

However, if you have a gun in the house and faced with this scenario, as rare as it may be for the majority of people, I wonder if it would even help? Again, I should stress this is not right or wrong, just food for thought:

a) a responsible gun owner would have their gun locked up, which would make retrieval during a hostile home invasion almost impossible in said circumstance.
b) assuming you didn't lock the gun up (scary as that seems, but that's a whole other topic), do you think most humane people could actually look another person in the face and pull the trigger? Even in defense, don't undermine how difficult this is. Furthermore, does you having a gun now turn what may have been a robbery turn it into a shoot out, Wild West style? Remember, most home invaders want the loot and are not there to commit a senseless murder, but if they are facing someone armed, they will probably not hesitate as much as the other guy. Again, not true in all cases of course, but something to think about.

I hate to sound like an ass, but if you live in a rough neighborhood, do what you can to get out of there, move, give yourself a better chance of avoiding sad situations. Something North Americans have been trying to do for many years. It'll give you a better chance than an arms race in the community.

With or without guns, you cannot eliminate risk, only try and manage it the best way we feel we can.

typical whiny liberal response. Trust me, if someone is in my home that doesn't belong there I would very easily shoot them into the ground until the magazine is empty. I wouldn't loose a millisecond of sleep either, I hate thieves with a passion and it would save the tax payers money when he will eventually end up on the street to do it again.

If you aren't ready to face that type of consequence you shouldn't have broken into my house, I don't care how addicted to drugs he is or how he grew up in a bad neighbhorhood... tough titty.

I have a fingerprint safe for my handgun that takes me a couple seconds to open. I also have no problem leaving a weapon outside of a safe if there are no kids in the house. Living in an area with a lot of break-ins would make me invest in a heavy safe though. I would also rather die in a gunfight then flee my own home, call me old fashioned I guess.

guns prevent crime ALL the time, it just isn't reported in main stream media because it doesn't further the liberal agenda.

[StreetDoc]

Did the mainstream media report that the oregon mall shooter was stopped by a CCW holder? Of course not!!!!!

Oregon Mall Shooting: Brave Citizen With Concealed Carry May Have Saved Lives :: Minute Men News

[Donutz]

Originally Posted by backstop13

Sorry if it came across as a defense or if it wasn't clear. I'm a damn engineer...i'm not good at this essay type writing/defending position stuff

Meh. This thread has gotten so big it's hard to separate out who said what to whom, when. 398 posts fercrissake.

[kaka]

Originally Posted by StreetDoc

typical whiny liberal response. Trust me, if someone is in my home that doesn't belong there I would very easily shoot them into the ground until the magazine is empty. I wouldn't loose a millisecond of sleep either, I hate thieves with a passion and it would save the tax payers money when he will eventually end up on the street to do it again.

If you aren't ready to face that type of consequence you shouldn't have broken into my house, I don't care how addicted to drugs he is or how he grew up in a bad neighbhorhood... tough titty.

I have a fingerprint safe for my handgun that takes me a couple seconds to open. I also have no problem leaving a weapon outside of a safe if there are no kids in the house. Living in an area with a lot of break-ins would make me invest in a heavy safe though. I would also rather die in a gunfight then flee my own home, call me old fashioned I guess.

guns prevent crime ALL the time, it just isn't reported in main stream media because it doesn't further the liberal agenda.

"I'd rather die in a gunfight than flee my own home" you watch too many movies cowboy. Too much emotion, not enough brains is what this statement tells me about you. Maybe it'll change if you have kids, I don't know how old you are, but this statement by you is quite scary, and unfortunately a lot of people who own guns, are the same. Someone used the slippery slope reference earlier.


Are you the same guy who'll shoot up a nightclub because someone steps on your shoe, or looks at your girl? Old fashioned, please....

I'm far from left wing btw, just because someone sees things differently than you doesn't make them a liberal.

For the record, if I could flee my own home while there is a home invasion, not only would I be gone, I'd start making the list for my insurance company to replace my shit.

I guess you're just tougher than me.

[cc898]

I agree donutz. Its gotten itself into a pissing match.

Clear out ladies and gents.....we're shuttin 'er down.

I feel everbody is allowed an opinion, and you should stand by it. But thats all it is. Its not your place, or my place for that matter to make attempts to force my opinion on others. Say what you need to say and move on, create constructive conversation, not just swingin dicks.

We don't even know what the proposals will be yet.....that leaves little to fight about don't ya think?

[ThunderChunky]

Just you guys know he tried to buy a guy days before at a store. He didn't want to wait for the waiting period and stole his mothers. He obviously knew how to use them. The real thing here is how he was able to get them. Should have been locked in a safe. The kid also had autism. There is A LOT that went wrong here.

Why should Americans own guns? Why not? You're gonna make something illegal cause it CAN be dangerous. So can cleaning products. Why should law abiding citizens be punished for criminals. People who follow the laws should be able to own reasonable firearms. We don't ban cars or certain types because of drunk drivers.

Why do I need a gun? I am in the army. I'd like to be damn good at what I do. I also hunt predators like fox and coyote. A .223 is the ideal fire arm for this. You also need the ability to shoot more than once. In one case it ran into a woman's house and tried attacking her after being shot twice already. They also are useful for home defense. But number one they are a constitutional right. Why do you need the freedom to refuse someone from searching your house. If you have nothing to hide its not a problem. Same with a bunch of laws. And yes these laws do cause the same destruction. Freedom of speech greatly set back our war efforts in WWI. What do you use it for? Doesn't kill animals or protect you. Doesn't get you to work. You can still believe and think what you want. That's why.

Again, not saying this shouldn't be discussed or regulated. It should, but lets meet in the middle.

[C.B.]

Originally Posted by kaka

Ban them all except hunting rifles,

Define a hunting rifle.

[StreetDoc]

Originally Posted by kaka

"I'd rather die in a gunfight than flee my own home" you watch too many movies cowboy. Too much emotion, not enough brains is what this statement tells me about you. Maybe it'll change if you have kids, I don't know how old you are, but this statement by you is quite scary, and unfortunately a lot of people who own guns, are the same. Someone used the slippery slope reference earlier.


Are you the same guy who'll shoot up a nightclub because someone steps on your shoe, or looks at your girl? Old fashioned, please....

I'm far from left wing btw, just because someone sees things differently than you doesn't make them a liberal.

For the record, if I could flee my own home while there is a home invasion, not only would I be gone, I'd start making the list for my insurance company to replace my shit.

I guess you're just tougher than me.

yep that's me, I don't know what to say you've got me pegged.


Good news is this is my 6th day of 12 hour shifts in a row and I have a week off starting tomorrow so I won't be tempted to come back to this thread!!!! Riding tomorrow

BTW: I'm 28, born and raised in Chicago and worked in some of the worst neighborhoods in the country for about 5 years. Call me a product of my society. I don't give a shit what you think

[Donutz]

Well, official responses are starting to come out now. NRA is making some kind of announcement, Republicans are starting to respond...

Everyone hold your breath. It's going to be a wild ride!

[cc898]

Yes sir it is!