Gun Control Debate thread

[KIRKRIDER]

Originally Posted by cc898

Please tell me you did not just refer to a Semi-auto as a machine gun. I hope the mg part of that was refering to something else.

I agree with the health care part, it needs to be factored in.

As for why the mom NEEDS it, well, she was obviously cleared to own it when she bought it legally. Until it becomes illegal to buy something, who is to declare who needs what? I really like beer, I am legal to buy it, but I don't really NEED it. Well, some days I do.

The whole thing needs to be in the responsibity of ownership, no matter what we are talking about, cars boats planes, beer, guns.

No, it can't be only the owner responsibility. From the moment you enable someone to get something that can harm others you are responsible as well.
Especially when the "owner" or user, is mentally sick.

There need to be a logic between what you WANT and what you can GET. I want a stinger Missile, few land-mines and a chain gun. Should I be able to get them? You can get all the beer you want... If instead you want 5 boxes of C-4 I get suspicious. It depends on the product you want...and how dangerous for the rest of us is. Do you really need me telling you?

[cc898]

Do you really want a system that looks over your shoulder and decides for you what you can and can't have?

Yes I agree, certain things need restriction. Who are you going to hold responsible for the actions of someone intent to do harm? If not the person themselves? Where would that end? I know its been said, but, a drunk driver kills someone. Do we hold the people that built the car responsible, or Jim Beam? or maybe the guy that drank too much and got in the car.

There are many things out there that do harm and yet are legal, so yeah its the responsibilty of the owner. Cigarettes are still legal and they KILL tons of people and cause all kinds of problems. What do they do about that? They try and educate people. Same with drugs....they kill, they are illegal....we educate.

[cc898]

I am pretty sure you can't afford a stinger! But if you could, you could in theory get your hands on one......happens all the time.

[KIRKRIDER]

Not my shoulder...just over the shoulder of the NRA Right wing gun maniac...and his/her family more or less mentally ill.. Or should I just trust you with your guns because...you tell me to?
Not only I want more control, but I want the NRA to pay for it, pay for damages, court, and cures for the mentally ill responsible of those crimes..NRA members can share the cost since they care so much about guns Why do I have to pay for the safety of YOUR toys?

Originally Posted by cc898

Do you really want a system that looks over your shoulder and decides for you what you can and can't have?

[cc898]

You can't have it just over their shoulder, its going to be everyones shoulder.

I am not a right wing gun nut, and I am not addicted to bullets, and I do take trips and I do see the world, and I also read a lot. I went to college, I own a business, and I have three kids. Does that make me normal in your eyes?

And yeah, you have to trust me with my guns, as of right now you dont have a choice in the matter. I have had guns since I was 18 and legal to buy them, I have yet to kill anyone, and have not broken any laws what so ever in my ownership, nor do I plan to do so.

Okay....sorry. You do have a choice in the matter, you don't have to trust me. My bad.

[cc898]

You give the NRA way too much credit, and no, I am not a member.

[KIRKRIDER]

Originally Posted by cc898

You give the NRA way too much credit, and no, I am not a member.

Don't take it personally then. Normal is subjective... My point is that in a nation insanely obsessed with war and weapons there needs to be more control. You are not responsible world citizens!

But I repeat. Why do I have to pay for the safety of your toys? What makes you think you need a weapon? What happened in your life that made you feel so unsafe that you have to have one? I'm 47 and I never needed one.

[cc898]

I don't take any of it personally. I am simply voicing my opinion on the matter.

Its a bit of a blanket statement to say we are not responsible world citizens don't ya think?

I do not own them because I feel unsafe, as I said earlier, I am not a gun NUT, I enjoy shooting, I find it to be a fun challenge, its one of those hobbies in life that you can keep improving. Its my privilege to have them, I did not say its a right. I am allowed because I am a law abiding citizen, same as being able to drive a car.

I will not disagree with you, if it can be done right, there should be a system in place to help reduce incidences like what has happened recently. But I feel that you cannot include all gun owners as a problem, the problem ones are HUGE minority right now.

[KIRKRIDER]

Yes I felt bad after writing that.

But a nation that has a war (or more) per generation, and countless tragedies like this one does have a problem with guns. After living here for 14 years I see what causes the problem better than before, but i still don't see the will for a real solution. Until today maybe...I want to see what really happens.

I don't have a problem with you in particular owning a gun, I assume you are a responsible person until proven otherwise, but I don't see the logic where you need a permit and regular checks to own a car, but not for owning a gun?

Your example is not honest. A car is not designed to kill people. A gun is. The intended use for a car is to transport you to the...slopes... the intended use for a gun is to terminate a person. Where's the similarity?

The problem seem to be, that some people here feel the need to have an arsenal at home, and with kids around that is asking for an accident to happen.
So...why do people think they need an arsenal? Brainwashed into thinking that?

Originally Posted by cc898

I don't take any of it personally. I am simply voicing my opinion on the matter.

Its a bit of a blanket statement to say we are not responsible world citizens don't ya think?

I do not own them because I feel unsafe, as I said earlier, I am not a gun NUT, I enjoy shooting, I find it to be a fun challenge, its one of those hobbies in life that you can keep improving. Its my privilege to have them, I did not say its a right. I am allowed because I am a law abiding citizen, same as being able to drive a car.

I will not disagree with you, if it can be done right, there should be a system in place to help reduce incidences like what has happened recently. But I feel that you cannot include all gun owners as a problem, the problem ones are HUGE minority right now.

[Donutz]

Heroic dying teacher saved students

On the one hand, people who don't have guns WILL use other weapons. On the other hand, other weapons are demonstratably less effective.