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Old 12-18-2012, 05:40 PM   #481 (permalink)
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Did the mainstream media report that the oregon mall shooter was stopped by a CCW holder? Of course not!!!!!

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Old 12-18-2012, 05:58 PM   #482 (permalink)
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Sorry if it came across as a defense or if it wasn't clear. I'm a damn engineer...i'm not good at this essay type writing/defending position stuff
Meh. This thread has gotten so big it's hard to separate out who said what to whom, when. 398 posts fercrissake.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:00 PM   #483 (permalink)
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typical whiny liberal response. Trust me, if someone is in my home that doesn't belong there I would very easily shoot them into the ground until the magazine is empty. I wouldn't loose a millisecond of sleep either, I hate thieves with a passion and it would save the tax payers money when he will eventually end up on the street to do it again.

If you aren't ready to face that type of consequence you shouldn't have broken into my house, I don't care how addicted to drugs he is or how he grew up in a bad neighbhorhood... tough titty.

I have a fingerprint safe for my handgun that takes me a couple seconds to open. I also have no problem leaving a weapon outside of a safe if there are no kids in the house. Living in an area with a lot of break-ins would make me invest in a heavy safe though. I would also rather die in a gunfight then flee my own home, call me old fashioned I guess.

guns prevent crime ALL the time, it just isn't reported in main stream media because it doesn't further the liberal agenda.

"I'd rather die in a gunfight than flee my own home" you watch too many movies cowboy. Too much emotion, not enough brains is what this statement tells me about you. Maybe it'll change if you have kids, I don't know how old you are, but this statement by you is quite scary, and unfortunately a lot of people who own guns, are the same. Someone used the slippery slope reference earlier.


Are you the same guy who'll shoot up a nightclub because someone steps on your shoe, or looks at your girl? Old fashioned, please....

I'm far from left wing btw, just because someone sees things differently than you doesn't make them a liberal.

For the record, if I could flee my own home while there is a home invasion, not only would I be gone, I'd start making the list for my insurance company to replace my shit.

I guess you're just tougher than me.

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Old 12-18-2012, 06:09 PM   #484 (permalink)
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I agree donutz. Its gotten itself into a pissing match.

Clear out ladies and gents.....we're shuttin 'er down.

I feel everbody is allowed an opinion, and you should stand by it. But thats all it is. Its not your place, or my place for that matter to make attempts to force my opinion on others. Say what you need to say and move on, create constructive conversation, not just swingin dicks.

We don't even know what the proposals will be yet.....that leaves little to fight about don't ya think?
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Just you guys know he tried to buy a guy days before at a store. He didn't want to wait for the waiting period and stole his mothers. He obviously knew how to use them. The real thing here is how he was able to get them. Should have been locked in a safe. The kid also had autism. There is A LOT that went wrong here.

Why should Americans own guns? Why not? You're gonna make something illegal cause it CAN be dangerous. So can cleaning products. Why should law abiding citizens be punished for criminals. People who follow the laws should be able to own reasonable firearms. We don't ban cars or certain types because of drunk drivers.

Why do I need a gun? I am in the army. I'd like to be damn good at what I do. I also hunt predators like fox and coyote. A .223 is the ideal fire arm for this. You also need the ability to shoot more than once. In one case it ran into a woman's house and tried attacking her after being shot twice already. They also are useful for home defense. But number one they are a constitutional right. Why do you need the freedom to refuse someone from searching your house. If you have nothing to hide its not a problem. Same with a bunch of laws. And yes these laws do cause the same destruction. Freedom of speech greatly set back our war efforts in WWI. What do you use it for? Doesn't kill animals or protect you. Doesn't get you to work. You can still believe and think what you want. That's why.

Again, not saying this shouldn't be discussed or regulated. It should, but lets meet in the middle.
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Ban them all except hunting rifles,
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"I'd rather die in a gunfight than flee my own home" you watch too many movies cowboy. Too much emotion, not enough brains is what this statement tells me about you. Maybe it'll change if you have kids, I don't know how old you are, but this statement by you is quite scary, and unfortunately a lot of people who own guns, are the same. Someone used the slippery slope reference earlier.


Are you the same guy who'll shoot up a nightclub because someone steps on your shoe, or looks at your girl? Old fashioned, please....

I'm far from left wing btw, just because someone sees things differently than you doesn't make them a liberal.

For the record, if I could flee my own home while there is a home invasion, not only would I be gone, I'd start making the list for my insurance company to replace my shit.

I guess you're just tougher than me.
yep that's me, I don't know what to say you've got me pegged.


Good news is this is my 6th day of 12 hour shifts in a row and I have a week off starting tomorrow so I won't be tempted to come back to this thread!!!! Riding tomorrow

BTW: I'm 28, born and raised in Chicago and worked in some of the worst neighborhoods in the country for about 5 years. Call me a product of my society. I don't give a shit what you think

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Well, official responses are starting to come out now. NRA is making some kind of announcement, Republicans are starting to respond...

Everyone hold your breath. It's going to be a wild ride!
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Yes sir it is!
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Number one, you dont know what you are talking about. The "liberal media" as you call it here in Portland is praising this guy six ways to Sunday. You live in Colorado not Oregon so you don`t have a clue what we are or are not talking about.
This is the first I've heard of this. So Doc's point stands that mainstream media isn't really reporting stories like this. Printing a story like this would detract people from being "all-in" on the outright banning of firearms. They may be praising that guy in Portland, but the national media isn't saying a word about it, that I've seen anyway.

However, you're exactly right about those comments at the bottom of that article. Makes me sick, not just as a gun owner, but just as an American that we have this many people in our country dropping N bombs and being that ignorant. It truly does paint all gun owners into the corner that we're all crazy nut job, right wing, conspiracy theorists.
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