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Old 12-24-2012, 08:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Wow, that's a rough listen. Sounds like once again it's a god damn assault rifle. It's time, fuck off gun nuts, these things need to be nationally confiscated and banned. Anyone found in possesion of one after should be subject to a mandatory 20 year prison sentence. It's time gun control becomes real and serious! Enough is enough!
Yeah, and we should start with the Dept. of homeland "security" that just purchased 100's of thousands of hollow point rounds for their assault rifles. Next the SWAT teams that kick in your door at 3am with full auto's to bust you for a few ounces of weed. Then rip up the NDAA that allows the Gov't to detain you for no reason how ever long they want. After that I MIGHT let go of my "collection". Besides drones have killed way more kids and innocents that all of the mass shootings put together, and they will be flying our skies soon.

This is more then likely a false flag op designed to create knee jerk reactions like this. Notice how elusive all the reports about the shooter are? What's next...my 30-06 with 10 round mag and scope? I can hit 10 outta 10 with it from over 100 yards. I agree that CRIMINALS who get caught with these type of weapons should get hammered, people to stupid to lock up these type of weapons should be jailed, but to blanket "steal" every single one...NO WAY!!
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weapons should be jailed, but to blanket "steal" every single one...NO WAY!!
And once again, any attempt to talk about any form of control is converted to a diatribe about a total gun ban. In this case, with conspiracy theory thrown in just to ensure rational discussion. Wooohooooo!
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And once again, any attempt to talk about any form of control is converted to a diatribe about a total gun ban. In this case, with conspiracy theory thrown in just to ensure rational discussion. Wooohooooo!
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I just want to throw something out there. Up front, let me say that I haven't thought this through very much, and I have nothing in the way of evidence to back up the thought. But anyway....

Today in Canada, they announced on the news that the Canadian Press named some fucktard killer "Newsmaker of the Year". CP editor explains Magnotta as Canadian Newsmaker of the Year | Watch the video - Yahoo! News Canada I remember the news articles on this dweeb, and what I remember most is that the guy is a totally self-absorbed narcissist. So I wonder to what extent the people who pull off Columbine or Newtown or this latest thing are looking for fame - or at least infamy. Get their name in lights. And if they can't get noticed for something good, then something really bad will do.

So I'm thinking, what if the Justice System and the media were to work together to make sure that the NAME of these killers never hits the news. Maybe they could be referred to only as "the loser" or "loser-boy". In fact, if it was possible, erase them completely!. Erase the birth certificate, erase them from school roles, delete any diplomas, if possible get the relatives to change their names. Make them never have existed.

Of course, this assumes I've guessed right about their motivations. I could be totally off base.
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So I'm thinking, what if the Justice System and the media were to work together to make sure that the NAME of these killers never hits the news. Maybe they could be referred to only as "the loser" or "loser-boy". In fact, if it was possible, erase them completely!. Erase the birth certificate, erase them from school roles, delete any diplomas, if possible get the relatives to change their names. Make them never have existed.

Of course, this assumes I've guessed right about their motivations. I could be totally off base.
That would do more towards curbing these kinds of attacks then any gun ban ever would. The type of people that do this shit are ONLY looking for fame in death, take away that and there is ZERO motivation for them to do it. Every time this crap is sensationalized in the media there is some nutjob out there thinking "whooohooo this is how I can make my worthless life go into the history books"
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Jeffrey, I do not disagree with the points you raise regarding abuses of power by some within our law enforcement entities and I am as opposed to those provisions in the NDAA and America's terrorist actions in Pakistan with drones. I posted about that in the gun control debate thread with links and pictures and got nothing in response but crickets chirping. Americans don't give a shit Anouilh anything or anyone unless it affects them directly! We are the most narcesistic, self absorbed people on the planet and our attitude about our guns is one of countless examples. Doesn't mean a rats ass to the gun nut how many people we have to bury, "just don't talk about limiting my "freedom" to have any gun I want"

The way we protect our liberty is through the democratic process not running around in the woods with AR-15s.
First off, condolences to the families and fellow firefighters.

Secondly, Snowolf: either you missed my post or you're calling me a cricket?! http://www.snowboardingforum.com/pol...thread-21.html

I agree that semi automatic weapons have no business being in the hands of civilians. A couple of friends have some and have fun shooting at targets, pumpkins, whatever.

While they're not the types to go on a massacre, their fun factor is not as important imo as risking the wrong people having these weapons.
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Haha Exactly. I'm ashamed of what 'Murica has come to
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I didn't miss your post ( but must admit in the chafe of that thread, I had forgotten) still, you are the only one to notice; everyone else was too obsessed with their stupid guns.
Ah okay. Yeah I stopped following it about half way through. Smh that I was the only one to comment on that

It would kind of suck if you left the states considering your views are pretty sound on a lot of topics related to gov't etc.

But I hear Australia IS nice...
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Jeffrey, I do not disagree with the points you raise regarding abuses of power by some within our law enforcement entities and I am as opposed to those provisions in the NDAA and America's terrorist actions in Pakistan with drones. I posted about that in the gun control debate thread with links and pictures and got nothing in response but crickets chirping. Americans don't give a shit Anouilh anything or anyone unless it affects them directly! We are the most narcesistic, self absorbed people on the planet and our attitude about our guns is one of countless examples. Doesn't mean a rats ass to the gun nut how many people we have to bury, "just don't talk about limiting my "freedom" to have any gun I want"

The way we protect our liberty is through the democratic process not running around in the woods with AR-15s. I want the NDAA repealed too and have joined grass roots organizations with that goal:

https://pandaunite.org/

People Against NDAA Meetup Groups - People Against NDAA Meetups

http://www.change.org/petitions/tell...horization-act

This myth that our gun rights keeps us safe from government tyranny is a joke. As you point out with regard to drones being used by domestic law enforcement and the military, a bunch of fat, middle aged, balding, white guys playing dress up Army is no match against the resources of the US government.

Sorry, but I think these wannabe soldier gun nuts are all pussies. If you wanna play with military style weapons, do what a lot of us have done and sack up and join the military and actually serve your country!

I am not able to go there with regard to this being a false flag operation. The majority of Americans already support tougher gun control so there is no need to create knee jerk reactions. These massacres keep happening and we keep talking and doing nothing. The only thing we have never tried is national gun control and bans without loopholes. To me it seems this is the only thing different about America and our global partners who don't have the problems with gun violence on the scale we do. I think we ought to at least try!
Okay, then by the same logic, after a member of our military went on a rampage and killed a bunch of civilians we should ban the military? I could run around a mall and bash in the heads of over a dozen people with a tire iron, we should outlaw tire irons? I could kill a bunch of people with a wrist rocket and a bag of ball bearings, so outlaw rubber bands and ball bearings? How about diesel fuel and fertilizer? Keep in mind that cold medicine is highly regulated yet it is still used to make meth, which is way more deadly then any weapon. What about pit bulls? When a kid get's mauled by one I feel for them and the family, am I going to kill my dogs because of it? Fuck no. Now the asshole that got bit in my backyard (criminal history of burglary) do I feel anything for him, fuck no! The fact of the matter is that our society is breaking down at an exponential rate, every time someone with a few screws loose see's this kind of thing, they have to top it. It's like beating the high score on a video game. (which should be banned also ) There are no gun regulations, bans, or anything else that is going to stop society from driving the loons over the edge, it's that 15 minuets of fame these kooks seek that needs to be eliminated.

Oh and sure other countries with harsh gun controls may have less gun violence, but other violent crimes like rape, and robbery shoot way up

*Edit. Look how many people die in the back country, idiots and pro alike, I think we should outlaw that dangerous activity for sure
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A little chart from Australia, showing after the gun ban in 97 that homicides with knives went WAY up. We should ban steak knifes too?
Australian Institute of Criminology - Homicide weapon statistics

And then
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

On the other hand
snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

Once again, the problem is not with guns, my hunting rifles are designed to kill, period! As are ALL guns, what I kill with them is up to me. Not sure how many rattle snakes I killed with my hand gun growing up on the farm, but I'm sure it saved my life more then once. You yourself have stated that you carry an automatic pistol in the outback. These types of crimes are more of a reflection of our society as a whole, the availability of any type of firearm is going to do nothing to change that. I simply cannot advocate any more nanny state laws, because a few nut jobs use weapons to murder people. Unless we are talking about going back to un-rifled muzzle loaders, which by the way, can still kill you.
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