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Old 12-26-2012, 09:51 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Tightening laws wont do a thing. Prime example; how easy do you think it would be for me to go buy a bag of weed, cocaine, heroine, etc right this second? Pretty darn easy! Its a waste of time and a waste of government spending to talk about tighter gun laws. Not to mention once again in all instances of recent shootings the guns were stolen.

Go ahead and ban guns and see how many guns are still left on the street(Smh).

Focus on better schools, counseling, psychology, empowerment, etc and people wont pick up the gun in the first ffin place....teach respect and social skills in schools..yada yada yada...
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:10 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Hey Luna,

good to see you are open to the possibility and don't have a predetermined opinion etched in stone.

Since there is evidence that it has helped in other countries I find it curious that you KNOW 100% that it will definitely not help at all in the US.

I agree its not getting to the heart of the issue but that will take a long time and lots more money and effort.

Again I find it hard to believe that you would be saying the same thing if it had been one of your kids that was shot down.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:27 PM   #63 (permalink)
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1) Name these countries

2) Provide some evidence

or stop spreading your lies
uh look at china! even without guns these mass killings happen like crazy. ever hear bout the man who killed 20 kids with just a knife? ever hear bout how many murders there are their? No? thats because we live in the most self centered nation in the world. dont wanna debate. im out.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:29 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Hey Luna,

good to see you are open to the possibility and don't have a predetermined opinion etched in stone.

Since there is evidence that it has helped in other countries I find it curious that you KNOW 100% that it will definitely not help at all in the US.

I agree its not getting to the heart of the issue but that will take a long time and lots more money and effort.

Again I find it hard to believe that you would be saying the same thing if it had been one of your kids that was shot down.
I am open to the possibility but I can pretty much fathom that getting to the heart of why things happen and starting there instead of attacking a tool that people can get thier hands on regardless or replace it with a different tool would be more effective in the long run.

You can't neccesarily use other countries as example as well because you need to factor in everything from environment, to other laws they have in place, education, etc. You can't just simply say well "X" country has a gun ban and it works there when most countries barely even mirror our country on every other level. They probably have other social systems in place etc that are more effective and help thier citizens to not commit crimes or snap off into psychotic rage in the first place. Instead of being irrational and looking at things from one side step outside the box and look beyond the gun and why the person is holding it in the first place. Stuff like this will keep happening unless you get to the heart of people, look to the children and really buckle down on education etc. Im not against banning guns, I just think its stupid to always look at that as the first thing to do when there is a bigger freaking issue.
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btw i know this stuff because i have friends who got outa their. people there are ruthless. he told me stories on how the truckers drive 60 everywhere nd if they hit a little kid or an old lady, they could care less. they ust call the cops and hangout. also if they see someone in need or being beaten, they just go sucks for them and walk on by. its not the guns. yes, we dont need these "assault" rifles (although the term assault is skewed because any gun can be used as an assault weapon). but taking guns wont solve it. its more of mental issue and not being able to protect yourself.
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Hey Luna,

good to see you are open to the possibility and don't have a predetermined opinion etched in stone.

Since there is evidence that it has helped in other countries I find it curious that you KNOW 100% that it will definitely not help at all in the US.

I agree its not getting to the heart of the issue but that will take a long time and lots more money and effort.

Again I find it hard to believe that you would be saying the same thing if it had been one of your kids that was shot down.
Another point.....by working do you mean less "gun" related incidents? Or less crime and deaths overall? Give me credible evidence that by banning guns there are less murders and crime....
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i just thought of this but for normal murders, not mass killings with suicides after, we could implement a harsher punishment. im not saying this is what we should do but it is an idea. we could revert to the olden days method and go death for a death. if murderers were all executed as they once were, you CANT tell me people would be less reluctant to want to go out and kill.
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Tightening laws wont do a thing. Prime example; how easy do you think it would be for me to go buy a bag of weed, cocaine, heroine, etc right this second? Pretty darn easy! Its a waste of time and a waste of government spending to talk about tighter gun laws. Not to mention once again in all instances of recent shootings the guns were stolen.

Go ahead and ban guns and see how many guns are still left on the street(Smh).
See here we go again, people using other things such as knives, tire irons, baseball bats and now drugs to provide a weak analogy between guns and crime.

The FACT is, no one is calling for a ban on ALL guns. The issue at hand is that of assault weapons/rifles.

The issue is to make it harder for people to get a hold of such weapons which in turn forces them to come up with other ways to do their dirty deeds and the whole time limiting their arsenal hopefully making it harder for them to achieve maximum carnage.

NO LAWS PREVENT CRIME, but we can hope to reduce it by having some fucking COMMON SENSE!
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uh look at china! even without guns these mass killings happen like crazy. ever hear bout the man who killed 20 kids with just a knife?
Please go read something.

China's murder rate is less than 25% of the USA's. (1.0 per 100,000 versus 4.2 for the US)

Yeah, the school attack in China by the crazy with the knife?

32 injured....NO DEATHS!


But, perhaps, here's another thought since you brought up the self-centered aspect.

The USA is the top source of illegal firearms for both its immediate neighbors: Mexico and Canada. It is estimated that there are more gun dealers than gas stations in counties bordering Mexico (reported by the Dept. of Justice) Obviously, they aren't supplying the local domestic market of responsible Americans.

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i just thought of this but for normal murders, not mass killings with suicides after, we could implement a harsher punishment. im not saying this is what we should do but it is an idea. we could revert to the olden days method and go death for a death. if murderers were all executed as they once were, you CANT tell me people would be less reluctant to want to go out and kill.
While i agree to an extent i think the problem here is the "justice system". The way lawyers argue insanity issues etc makes this hard to achieve. While i firmly believe that someone who takes a life deliberately should have theirs taken i think it would be hard to achieve.

I also think that most people who murder do so with the thought of not being caught anyway so it may not deter them.
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