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Old 12-26-2012, 10:41 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Another point.....by working do you mean less "gun" related incidents? Or less crime and deaths overall? Give me credible evidence that by banning guns there are less murders and crime....
there really isnt. if you are that crazed and that driven to kill, you can get creative. if a grown man walked into a kindergarden classroom without a gun (really sorry for the picture guys D: ) he could overpower everyone easily. if he wants to take out adults, bombs arnt hard to make and they NEVER dud unless you abolutely fail. the more likely part would be that they go off early and kill you. my point is, is that you can get creative and it wouldnt be hard to kill without a weapon.
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Well you hadn't asked me for one, here are a couple: They are effectively a military weapon designed to shot a lot of targets with ease quickly. They are very powerful and accurate making them perfect for mass killings. They shoot too many rounds too quickly for anyone to justify them as a hunting weapon, They are/were designed for killing HUMANS not big game or animals, they are a weapon of choice for people who do commit mass killings (I understand not the only weapon though).

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The rest of the world is looking on with disbelief as Americans say "we have the right to own machine guns and we will be less safe without them".



Will you shoot your machine gun at a tank or an armored vehicle?
Are you guys under the impression that the "assault" rifles we are talking about are full auto? To get a full auto (legally) in this country is almost impossible. I can load and fire a hunting rifle as fast as any AR type rifle, plus there are many that are more powerful and accurate then any civilian version AR.
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Yeah, the school attack in China by the crazy with the knife?

32 injured....NO DEATHS!
either way, you get pretty messed up. is life really that fun when you can only move your head? and also that was one example. there are alot of crimes. if you talk to one of my chinese friends, they would enlighten you to alot of crazy killings
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:46 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Are you guys under the impression that the "assault" rifles we are talking about are full auto? To get a full auto (legally) in this country is almost impossible. I can load and fire a hunting rifle as fast as any AR type rifle, plus there are many that are more powerful and accurate then any civilian version AR.
EXACTLY THANK YOU! semi auto weapons arnt as wonderful as one who doesnt shoot may think. i can fire my pump action somtimes faster than my buddie with his semi auto.
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Im not against it. It just pisses me off that people don't look at people and wonder hey if we focused a shit ton more on our children and education, empowerment, not letting anyone fall through the cracks etc it wouldn't happen in the first damn place.
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Are you guys under the impression that the "assault" rifles we are talking about are full auto? To get a full auto (legally) in this country is almost impossible. I can load and fire a hunting rifle as fast as any AR type rifle, plus there are many that are more powerful and accurate then any civilian version AR.
No i understand that it is semi automatic. What I'm saying is if you have a hunting rifle with a 5 round clip compared to a guy with an AR with a 20 round clip then there is no human way you get off 20 rounds as fast as him.

Plus bolt action hunting rifles are not just a point and shoot you obviously take your eye off the sight to chamber another round. an "Assault" rifle you just point and keep shooting.
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No i understand that it is semi automatic. What I'm saying is if you have a hunting rifle with a 5 round clip compared to a guy with an AR with a 20 round clip then there is no human way you get off 20 rounds as fast as him.

Plus bolt action hunting rifles are not just a point and shoot you obviously take your eye off the sight to chamber another round. an "Assault" rifle you just point and keep shooting.
good point. eh, the rifle part not so much with a shotgun but i do beleive we should regulate mags. when shooting, you dont need 20 rounds
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good point. eh, the rifle part not so much with a shotgun but i do beleive we should regulate mags. when shooting, you dont need 20 rounds
True pump actions are quite quick i guess the difference there is their limited range even though they can be more damaging close.

I think the biggest thing is that people need to compromise with what is available and what is logical. Limiting mags is a great idea, probably as important as what guns are legal.

For the record i am not anti gun, i grew up shooting on a farm and believe that it is a good thing to be educated around the use of them as a child. BUT i do believe that you have to draw a line on what guns are available to the general public. This is where my opinion differs from many.
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True pump actions are quite quick i guess the difference there is their limited range even though they can be more damaging close.

I think the biggest thing is that people need to compromise with what is available and what is logical. Limiting mags is a great idea, probably as important as what guns are legal.

For the record i am not anti gun, i grew up shooting on a farm and believe that it is a good thing to be educated around the use of them as a child. BUT i do believe that you have to draw a line on what guns are available to the general public. This is where my opinion differs from many.
yea i know if you take away AR-15 enthusists will be upset and im not sure if they actually need to take them. i think if you really limit mags, an AR-15 wont be causing mass killings. all it would have is enuf to either defend your home from an attack or if there is a shooting (sick bastards) hit a couple people. you really cant stop the nutjobs from killing but you can limit it.
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You quoted me kinda out of context here. I was talking at this point specifically about the belief among many gun owners that their firearms prevent the government from becoming tyrranical. I was pointing out that as a matter of tactical advantage this is fantasy. No matter how many AR-15`s people have, they are no match for drones, stealth fighter or chemical weapons, not to mention tactical nuclear wepons. Our guns don`t mean jack shit to the government if push came to shove. You bring up another point entirely and that is an entirely different argument.
oh sorry i misunderstood ya. yea that is a joke. our drones could take out the entire country easy. heres an odd fact for ya. many people think drones are inacurate and hard to control but there was a kid who used an RC plane and mounted a paintball gun (this kid is genius btw) put a camera and he had a ton of targets and then had his friends run and was able to hit everyone. pretty dang scary.
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