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Old 01-02-2013, 12:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Regardless of law, the fact remains that in court there have been plenty of cases where the defender who used a gun has faced both criminal prosecution as well as civil action. In some cases in many states, they have actually lost those cases. My point is that no one should take the decision to pull a trigger lightly. Sorry that pisses a gun nut off.
1. Bullshit. Post up your sources, not snowolf fact. For every case you post where someone defending their home had charges pressed against them and a conviction that resulted in jail time, I guarantee I can post 5 where there were no charges pressed.

2. Not once did I ever say that decision should be taken lightly

3. I'm very far from the gun nut. You conceal carry as you posted, I don't. I find it to restricting to the stuff I normally do. The only time I've carried is when at work in the ghetto on the west side of chicago.
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Regardless of law, the fact remains that in court there have been plenty of cases where the defender who used a gun has faced both criminal prosecution as well as civil action. In some cases in many states, they have actually lost those cases. My point is that no one should take the decision to pull a trigger lightly. Sorry that pisses a gun nut off.
George Zimmerman just came to mind.
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George Zimmerman just came to mind.
He pursued the person and then shot him, he was not approached by the kid and he was told to back off by the cops. He deserves to go to jail. Not a self defense situation.
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He pursued the person and then shot him, he was not approached by the kid and he was told to back off by the cops. He deserves to go to jail. Not a self defense situation.
911 dispatch said that they didn't need him to get out of the car (or whatever). Not quite the same as the cops telling him to back off. Having said that, I also think Zimmerman should have backed the hell off.

I know this isn't the Martin discussion thread but having said what I did about backing off, the second the kid started bashing dude's head into the concrete he signed his own death certificate.
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911 dispatch said that they didn't need him to get out of the car (or whatever). Not quite the same as the cops telling him to back off. Having said that, I also think Zimmerman should have backed the hell off.

I know this isn't the Martin discussion thread but having said what I did about backing off, the second the kid started bashing dude's head into the concrete he signed his own death certificate.
Not arguing with you there either. When I said cops told him to back off I meant dispatch... Completely different story there then being actively robbed by someone with a weapon or someone breaking into your home. Still waiting on a response from Snowolf but I guess it isn't coming.
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Regardless of law, the fact remains that in court there have been plenty of cases where the defender who used a gun has faced both criminal prosecution as well as civil action.

I hope everyone else sees the oxymoron here... The court follows the law... We don't live in a dictatorship yet.
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While I am advocation restraint, caution and pragmatism in the use of deadly force, you seem to be advocating the reckless use of it.this is the difference between a responsible gun owner and a gun nut.
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WHERE? Like I said I don't even carry.

I'm a gun nut because if someone breaks into my home I'm willing to shoot them? Whatever bro... I'm done with your bullshit. Who said that is something to be taken lightly? ANYWHERE in this form???? If someone breaks into my house THATS SOMETHING not to be taken lightly also.

If you're a proponent of gun ownership you sure could have fooled me. Maybe you really need to look into what bills are trying to be passed then. You're precious handguns will most likely be outlawed also if feinstein gets her way.
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You're precious handguns will most likely be outlawed also if feinstein gets her way.
While I do agree there should be tighter controls on the private sale of firearms, this ban is ridiculous. I don't like this type of thing, a vaguely worded bill rammed through by an emotional agenda after a tragedy. That's how we ended up with the Patriot act. So now, even though I went through the whole process legally, paid for BG checks and permits, I have to go through it all again (and pay a bunch more $$ I'm guessing) This bill will do nothing to stop mass shootings, and only serves to harass and squeeze more money out of law abiding citizens. Anyone that thinks ANY of the assholes in Gov't are there for YOUR best interest is a fucking FOOL!! Why do any of you think the congressional approval rating is so low, NO ONE believes their bullshit anymore and they are freaking out about it(ok 9-11% still buy it) .
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While I do agree there should be tighter controls on the private sale of firearms, this ban is ridiculous. I don't like this type of thing, a vaguely worded bill rammed through by an emotional agenda after a tragedy. That's how we ended up with the Patriot act. So now, even though I went through the whole process legally, paid for BG checks and permits, I have to go through it all again (and pay a bunch more $$ I'm guessing) This bill will do nothing to stop mass shootings, and only serves to harass and squeeze more money out of law abiding citizens. Anyone that thinks ANY of the assholes in Gov't are there for YOUR best interest is a fucking FOOL!! Why do any of you think the congressional approval rating is so low, NO ONE believes their bullshit anymore and they are freaking out about it(ok 9-11% still buy it) .
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I believe it was the good mayor of Chicago that said never let a tragedy go to waste.
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I'm a gun nut because if someone breaks into my home I'm willing to shoot them?
No, you're a gun nut because you're strident, belligerant, irrational, at the extreme end of the subject under discussion, unwilling to consider alternative opinions, quick to cast aspersions at anyone who dares to disagree, and constantly invoking conspiracy theories to bolster your stance.

And trying to bait an admin into banning you so you could play the victim isn't doing much for you either.

There's a thing called "credibility". You can't threaten or browbeat others into giving it to you. You have to earn it. Or you can squander it, and it's damned hard to get back.
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