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I agree 100%. The only real reason I posted a lot of this stuff is I feel there's a lot of misinformation here (on the internet can you believe it?!!?) and I'm bored at work I've been writing letters and signing petitions for a few weeks now. The problem is I don't agree with the NRA, and I don't agree with the left. There isn't a lot of compromise though (surprised?) That's what is going to hurt gun advocates in the long run.
Exactly my point. If they the lobby doesn't get the message from their masses that they need to help come to a way to treat these things, then they are going to lose a ton. Posting armed guards is not a solution and I find it funny they are advocating for big government that way. Not to mention, I can find plenty of examples where there were armed guards didn't matter. Columbine to start with. We all know that we can't get rid of this. Damned if we can't reduce it through some reasonable measures that are actually enforced.
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About the only gun legislation I would support is a ban of high capacity magazines.

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There isn't a lot of compromise though (surprised?) That's what is going to hurt gun advocates in the long run.
The lack of compromise among the gun advocates is usually what sets me off. The arguments about gun bans always start with gun advocates stating in black and white terms, that gun bans don't work, cause increased violence by criminals and even attract the crazies to perform their acts in gun-free zones. There are no academic studies that support this. (There may be opinion pieces written by academics, but there are no complete studies) This is what I usually respond to as I can't stand bald faced lies coming from either side as it serves only to polarize the argument.

That said, I haven't really heard of a cry from the anti-gun side for a complete gun ban, as even they realize that it is a non-starter for the USA.

I would hope that gun advocates would approach the issue with a similar sense of compromise.
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What pisses me off about the anti-gun crowd is how ignorant most are about the current laws. The vast majority of stuff they want is already law.

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The lack of compromise among the gun advocates is usually what sets me off. The arguments about gun bans always start with gun advocates stating in black and white terms, that gun bans don't work, cause increased violence by criminals and even attract the crazies to perform their acts in gun-free zones. There are no academic studies that support this. (There may be opinion pieces written by academics, but there are no complete studies) This is what I usually respond to as I can't stand bald faced lies coming from either side as it serves only to polarize the argument.

That said, I haven't really heard of a cry from the anti-gun side for a complete gun ban, as even they realize that it is a non-starter for the USA.

I would hope that gun advocates would approach the issue with a similar sense of compromise.
I agree with you the problem is both sides do the same thing... Feinstein wants to ban everything. (look it up) The IL legislators are actually voting on that bill TODAY @ 5:00pm) The NRA wants no background checks.

Both sides are going to press their agenda and hopefully we come out somewhere in the middle in the end.

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What pisses me off about the anti-gun crowd is how ignorant most are about the current laws. The vast majority of stuff they want is already law.

The whole "assault rifle" thing makes me very angry lol. I definitely think my blood pressure has went up from watching the news recently and bullshit on facebook. Trying to cut back on all that now
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The whole "assault rifle" thing makes me very angry lol. I definitely think my blood pressure has went up from watching the news recently and bullshit on facebook. Trying to cut back on all that now
In terms of the media, "assault rifle" = any firearm that is black.

They don't realize that .223 "assault rifle" is virtually the same thing as grandad's innocent Ruger Mini-14.

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In terms of the media, "assault rifle" = any firearm that is black.

They don't realize that .223 "assault rifle" is virtually the same thing as grandad's innocent Ruger Mini-14.
I have a friend who, when shown two photos of a remington 700 in different dress picked out one (the black one with the synthetic stock and bipod) an assault rifle
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I have no horse in this race, as I don't own a gun and don't plan on one, but I love my Constitution.

But I'm not NRA crazy either. But that's the position they have to take, that's what lobbyists do, they take the crazy position, left and right. It's how things get done.

Any way, what do gun control advocates really want? I'm not talking about a total ban, nobody in a position of power is even contemplating that. But what controls can be put in place, that hasn't already?

The Assault weapons ban and Brady Bill both were quite ineffective. Any positive effect they had, was slight.

The US does have the most gun violence, but what trips me out is that Switzerland is also quite high. I guess fucking blonds all the time gets you crazy
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I have no horse in this race, as I don't own a gun and don't plan on one, but I love my Constitution.

But I'm not NRA crazy either. But that's the position they have to take, that's what lobbyists do, they take the crazy position, left and right. It's how things get done.

Any way, what do gun control advocates really want? I'm not talking about a total ban, nobody in a position of power is even contemplating that. But what controls can be put in place, that hasn't already?

The Assault weapons ban and Brady Bill both were quite ineffective. Any positive effect they had, was slight.

The US does have the most gun violence, but what trips me out is that Switzerland is also quite high. I guess fucking blonds all the time gets you crazy

Dude google "Feinstein" and "Gun Ban" you will find 923840932804823432 articles on what she wants. Illinois is actually starting and it's being voted on today during the lame duck session. They basically want to outlaw all semi-automatic anything, including pump shotguns.

Let me help, straight from her webpage. What they consider military characteristics is laughable (thumbhole stocks)

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...2-ac8ca4359119

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