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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-30-2008, 11:24 AM
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Ok Im gonna put this to bed here. True, not everyone can afford and does have health insurance. Many adults go without it...
put your flags away Uncle Sam, no where did i specifically dwell upion the current US model of health care.

i said socially funded system are good but open to abuse. you countered with 'i prefer a private system'.

i made efforts to suggest why a private system is less attractive to all people than a public one, despite your own personal experience;

and you now take effort to describe what is basically a social sector of the US health care system.

if what you say about the provision afforded to children and the destitute is true... then guess what?

your nation has a social health care system!

and so we agree and you do pay twice. good for you!

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Am I wrong about Obama's health plan? From my understanding, you keep your current health insurance if you like it, if not, you can opt for a government one that is similar to what gov employees get. AND, the gov will help pay your current health insurance, lowering out of pocket expenses. Seems like it's leaning towards socialistic health care, but isn't 100%. So MPD, I don't think you can use that right wing argument about his health plan.

I like the idea of socialized health care. I have never had to worry about it and have been lucky enough to work for companies with good health plans. And the only time I need a doctor is when I decided to tear apart a joint and need it put back together. But a more socialized health care system is in the best interest of everybody. The less a family has to worry about doctor bills, the more they'll spend on other things. However, a privatized system does help keep competition rockin'.

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I have been going through my wife's company's insurance for the last 5 years or so. Even though the company I work for provides it, my wife's has always been cheaper because the owner provided them with a great plan. However, it's small company, and they want more money in their pockets, so they went with a different insurance plan and stuck the employees with the higher cost. We were payin' 150 bucks a month for all three of us. With the new plan, it was 700 bucks a month!! But I work for a large company, and the benefits to that pay off. So I switched and things are good. But I'd be screwed if I didn't have that option. I'd be able to afford insurance, but I'd have to cut 550 dollars a month in spending somehow... and what does that affect. The economy. Nice job privatized health care.
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Fawk, this is hilarious, MPD is stating the same stats and arguement that he did more than year ago on TOS and still can't get it straight. He even quotes the 50% tax rate AGAIN, I posted the real tax rates from revenue Canada, then he stopped debating because he realized he was talking out his ass, and now here we are full circle. I see that you still use your brother's experiences and yet when someone like myself, who also lives here, states his own, mine is somehow worth less in your eyes. Back then I showed you how our personal experiences don't relate into a general picture, so I gave you actual stats and info...and because you had nothing but conjecture and guess work, you continued with the crickets.

SO if I use MPD logic (and learn to add), in Canada you pay a max of 46.95% and get health care, in the States you pay a max of 45.3 and get nothing. Yeah, you showed us MPD.

I take it if you became a super hero, education would be your Kryptonite, right? Trolling or stupidity, take your pick!

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Fawk, this is hilarious, I take it if you became a super hero, education would be your Kryptonite, right? Trolling or stupidity, take your pick! We don't call him Ostrich-D for nothing.
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I believe if you add 17 and 29 the total cap would be 49%??
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I personally think a privately managed, publicly funded (single payer) system with oversight is probably the best balance. Doctors should be providing medical care to the best of their ability, not working for insurance companies to approve/deny claims.

Most clinics in Canada are privately run businesses, hospitals are publicly run. The biggest problem is a lack of Doctors, and abuse of the system. A minimal user fee would fix that, but is politically unpopular.


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well your first link Mr Wolf is eons old!
i am sure President Bush made great gains in reversing the observations of 2002.

your second link is from the BRITISH medical journal.
what do them damn brits know? the haven't even got straight teeth

and Michael Moore is a sicko! LOL and a commie lefty scum wad, who loves terrorists and eats kebabs with the Ayatollah.

i am happy to pay massive premiums each month to INSURANCE companies, just so the doctors they employ can look for ways to NOT provide me with generically produced drugs which cost about 1 cent to produce 1000.

insurance people and lawyers need to buy yachts to you know!

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