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sedition 11-26-2008 05:47 PM

Mumbai Attacks
 
This shit in Mumbai is insane. They got so many targets. 2 hotels, a hospital, trains, cafe, random grande attacks around the city. So organized. Un fucking real.

Perpetual3am 11-26-2008 06:05 PM

Crazy Insane! On top of it all there are supposedly hostages and two ongoing gun battles in the hotels and witnesses said they were looking for people with British and US passports for the hostages.

I wonder why they chose Mumbai?

SpringheelJack 11-26-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Perpetual3am (Post 86104)
I wonder why they chose Mumbai?

Probably because they can't hit anywhere in the US or Europe anymore. Bunch of clowns can't hit anyone that's expecting it. They can't even fire a gun unassisted. YouTube - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi video bloopers

Perpetual3am 11-27-2008 08:53 AM

I tend to disagree, at one time in the past there is no way you could have convinced anyone that these 'inept' people you dismiss could take out the WTCs by flying hijacked planes into them. Thinking that these people are an untrained rabble is underestimating them in a huge way...and exactly what they want you to think. I highly doubt that we've seen the end of such attacks in Europe or North America. Unlike our society of instant gratification, they actually have patience. Come to think of it, why even bother attacking us on our soil when so many of us travel abroad? That makes more sense.

SpringheelJack 11-27-2008 09:05 AM

Why would they want me to think that they're untrained rabble? They want me to take them seriously and be scared of them. They don't care if I'm surprised by their ingenuity, they want me to think they're an unstoppable force so that we'll give in to their demands.

And we haven't seen the end of the attacks in the US or Europe, just the end of successful attacks. They're not waiting because they're patient (And I find it odd that you would sweepingly generalize them as patient and the West as impatient. Is resorting to terrorist attacks to get what you want a typical attribute of patient people? Seems like an attempt at instant gratification to me.) They have tried, and they've failed. Sucker punches are easy, boxing matches aren't,and right now they're a bit busy getting their asses kicked around their own back yards.

Perpetual3am 11-27-2008 09:22 AM

I simply point it out because every time someone dismisses them as being a bunch of nutbars, or inept like you have, it gives them power. People don't expect much from an untrained group, and then all of a sudden you have coordinated attacks that kill and wound hundreds of people. It obviously worked for them.

And you're far from kicking their asses in Iraq or Afghanistan, I would say just the reverse in some areas. And it wasn't a sweeping generalization, just look how the west reacted after 9/11. Hey lets rush into a country that had nothing to do with the attacks, but somehow it makes us feel like we're doing something. Check your US history, its full of knee jerk reactions.

PaoloSmythe 11-27-2008 11:06 AM

mumbai is the gateway to india

hardcore british empire heritage in there

not to mention a major western india sea port

call center hub for western corporations and

mega tourist airport hub.

oh and india has an election coming up in early next year i seem to recall hearing.

terrorism, tis all.

find them, try them, if guilty, kill them. forget them and their cause. job done. terrorism fails.

SpringheelJack 11-28-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Perpetual3am (Post 86270)
I simply point it out because every time someone dismisses them as being a bunch of nutbars, or inept like you have, it gives them power. People don't expect much from an untrained group, and then all of a sudden you have coordinated attacks that kill and wound hundreds of people. It obviously worked for them.

And you're far from kicking their asses in Iraq or Afghanistan, I would say just the reverse in some areas. And it wasn't a sweeping generalization, just look how the west reacted after 9/11. Hey lets rush into a country that had nothing to do with the attacks, but somehow it makes us feel like we're doing something. Check your US history, its full of knee jerk reactions.

Again, I'm not suggesting that we reduce defense or general preparedness. So how exactly does my disdain help them? What power does it give them? If I fight a 5' guy exactly as intently as I would fight a 6'6" guy, but at the same time I'm amused that a 5' tall guy is trying to fight me, how is there any difference? Is his ass any less kicked because I thought it was funny?

And I'm not going to quibble over who's winning what, or how patient the West is or is not. Your point was the terrorists are patient. But your main argument for the West being impatient is your claim that we're reactionary. Aren't terrorists the ultimate reactionaries? Does beheading reporters and bombing random targets strike you as patient, well thought out long term plans of action likely to produce favorable results?

DenBank 11-28-2008 08:52 PM

why do you think this attacks are against US? it is conflict within india itself.
They were targeting US citizens only for one reason. IF they would take indian hostages, indian special forces would just blow up whole building with hostages and noone would even ask questions, because indian govt dont give a shit about their citizens. But americans make it more complicated.

Perpetual3am 12-01-2008 07:27 PM

Can we all agree to stop using the oxymoron, "war on terrorism" please?


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