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Old 12-08-2008, 10:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Local News | Crowd rallies in Wash. against anti-religion sign | Seattle Times Newspaper

The basics in this article is that there's an anti religious message on the Washington State Capitol. The message reads "myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds." It's a part of the winter solstice sign that was sponsored by some atheist group. Now a bunch of religious groups are up in arms and protesting, claiming that WA state is now the armpit of America and that our governor is at fault.

For those who are super religious and get offended by atheist statements... if your so truly Christian, then why can't you walk in someone else's shoes. There are religious messages ALL over... why is it, when someone has a different opinion than you, you have to get butt hurt about it and say they're going to hell.

Also take this in to mind, Washington state has the highest "non-religious" population of all the states, and the lowest church membership of all the states. Yet, WA state is the second most intelligent state in the states, with Seattle being considered the most "intelligent" city in the states. This is a considerable overwhelming trend that the less religious the area, the more intelligent it tends to be. The cities and states along the coasts tend to be much less religious by percentage, and have higher intelligent rates.
 
Old 12-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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For fuck's sake?? MPD, do you always have to prove my point so easily. You're supposed to be a Christian, right? Then quit judging and throwin' down after life sentences, when it's not your job to do so. Not very Christian of you. It's not atheist's spewing their stuff, and Christians trying to get people to "see the light". It's differences of opinions and when we have multiple types of people living in one country, you'd hope the ones with a religion that preaches tolerance, would actually be tolerant. Your words show that you are "trying" to be tolerant, but in fact are not. Because you're just sayin, fine, be that way, you're just gonna burn in hell. Why is that up to you to determine.

And you prove my point about intelligence, you're making ME (somebody who lives in Seattle, WA), give you the research links... instead of just listening or doing the research yourself. You could have also done the math yourself. Thing of the damn companies that are here, and think of the companies opening offices here to tap in to the local work force.

Seattle is the smartest city based on education:
America's smartest cities - Aug. 31, 2006
However, I could be wrong about WA state... but I can't find 2008 statistics. However, if I am wrong, then it proves my point further. If you understand the make up of WA state, the west side, which is where Seattle is, is the less religious side of the state, and tends to vote democratic. The East side of the state is more religious. Seattle being considered the smartest city and very "non-religious still can't make up for the dumbasses on the other side of the state!!
 
Old 12-08-2008, 12:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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HUH? Faith a private thing? Churches put ads on billboards, booklets in restaurants, some faiths even send people door to door. The dollar bill as "In God We Trust" on it. How more public do you want to get. Think before you speak. Christians are much more "public" with their advertisements than atheists.

The fact that there's a protest at all is bothersome. I don't like it when an atheist gets butt hurt either. However, there have been many instances when atheist's get butt hurt because their child is being taught some religious views in school, when there's supposed to be NO religious teachings in public schools. I myself, would just tell my child to believe what they want to believe when it comes to religion, whether the teacher or myself says it. I wouldn't get up in arms. But I understand the protest of wanting separation of church and state upheld. However, getting butt hurt over a sign on the state capital that is NOT religious, yet is practicing freedom of speech seems overboard. And it's a pretty good sized group that came out to bitch. There's a constitution, if you claim to be "good Americans", live by it.

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Old 12-08-2008, 12:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I don't see what is all wrong with that statement in WA. Seems pretty harmless to me, but then again I'm from the state that shot down Prop 8 and institutionalized No Fault divorce, so go figure that one out.

This only proves there are idiots in all things. Like the football stars who thank Jesus for a TD pass or a good game then blame the coach for a bad game

I don't know what Atheists have all of a sudden shot to the limelight. If people want to waste money on billboards telling me to trust Jesus, that's fine with me as I'm comfortable with my own religion to not have to shoot holes in others.

In reality, this is all a big horse race to the afterlife (or atman/nirvana) and you're just betting that your horse is the winner.
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This only proves there are idiots in all things. Like the football stars who thank Jesus for a TD pass or a good game then blame the coach for a bad game
or football stars who thank jesus for a TD & then go blow maaaad amounts of coke up their nose later that night!
 
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^^^Exactly!! They should have been thankin' the coke instead.
 
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There was a person here who got their license plate banned because it read "Athiest". I don't get it. I have people coming to my house, MY HOUSE, and telling me I'm going to burn in hell if I don't support their religion. I've NEVER had an athiest come to my house and yell at me for believing in God. Now, I'm what I consider Agnostic. As Clarence Darrow once said, "I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." Is there a God? How should I know? I'm just some dude trying to make it in the world. If you want to believe something, fine. Just don't rub it in my face. I'll believe what I want and if you can't deal with it, leave me alone.

As for the stupid phrase on a public building, is it any different than putting "In God We Trust" on our money?! Unless you remove all religious phrases or references from everything, you can't remove an athiest phrase. It's a double edged sword, but some people have a lot harder time dealing with it.
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There was a person here who got their license plate banned because it read "Athiest". I don't get it. I have people coming to my house, MY HOUSE, and telling me I'm going to burn in hell if I don't support their religion. I've NEVER had an athiest come to my house and yell at me for believing in God. Now, I'm what I consider Agnostic. As Clarence Darrow once said, "I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." Is there a God? How should I know? I'm just some dude trying to make it in the world. If you want to believe something, fine. Just don't rub it in my face. I'll believe what I want and if you can't deal with it, leave me alone.

As for the stupid phrase on a public building, is it any different than putting "In God We Trust" on our money?! Unless you remove all religious phrases or references from everything, you can't remove an athiest phrase. It's a double edged sword, but some people have a lot harder time dealing with it.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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^^^Exactly my point, too.
 
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I don't want to make the impression that I dislike people for their religion, but it seems like the intolerance is very one-sided. My wife, for example, is Christian. She believes in God. She was raised by highly religious people, that may have some influence on what she believes. My mother in law refused to come home from work one day while I was visiting. She was mad that her daughter was marrying an agnostic and didn't come home until I was asleep. She never apologized either. We get along ok now, but it still hurts to think that she doesn't respect me.

On another instance, when my wife went to her long time pastor and asked him to marry us, he said no. Why? Well, I'm not Christian. Ok, I suppose I understand that. Fair enough. So we went to her childhood pastor and he said yes. But he wanted to talk to us first. The talk? He said I was going to hell and I was leading my wife to hell. Then he asked if I would accept Jesus and all that. I said no. He still married us, but I had to put up with that on what was supposed to be the happiest day of my life (it still was).

I completely accept people who are religious (I'm married to a Christian!), but I never get acceptance from them. Except for my wife, who could look past it.

So if you ask me if I have any sympathy for some religious group because an athiest group putt up an anti-religious phrase, I say no. Sorry.
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