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Old 03-31-2014, 03:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Is the XV faster than the Carbon Flagship, seems it would be much better on hard groomers conditions. Which board IYO is faster.
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Old 03-31-2014, 04:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't think there is an immediately obvious answer to this question. I think the bases are pretty close in terms of speed if that's what you mean but might actually say the Jones is faster.

If you want to go fast on groomers hard or soft, I think the Jones is a great board. Mellow mag still cuts a nice smooth edge and the larger turning radius means you can really lean into it. The XV can be savage on the groomers and it has a tighter side cut so it will really rail hard if you can hang on.

Still, I didn't pay all that money for the Jones thinking groomers and so far I'd say for everything off piste, the XV make me feel more comfortable. The only issues are that I am not so far a huge fan of the magnetraction feel sometimes and that the softer and short tail might let you down if you get into a wheelie...on the other hand, that soft short tail is great is other scenarios.
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Old 03-31-2014, 04:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Your comments are a great help. Before I spend $1200 on a race board. i'm looking at XV as an entry level race board. The XV with the tighter turning radius and magnetraction might be a good call. So thanks again
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Snowdog- I haven't done any Alpine or looked much into it to know. I would guess that an Alpine designed board would be your best option since that is what it's designed for and the XV has a different use design.

You can probably get an XV or a Flagship on sale right now for a good price if you wanted to give it a shot.

I tried + + stance on the XV and attempted to practice some lay down turns Alpine style (something I've never done before) and in that case I did have locked-in-the-turn feeling. Don't know how I'd feel on a diff board, that was the first time I was trying it.

A guy at the shop I got my boards from demo'd a Flag and was doing lay down turns on it. I don't think he demo'd an XV though.

I'd have to do some board swaps between runs to try to get an idea if I thought one felt faster. They both seem fast.

One guy I talked to said his opinion is that magnetraction made him feel like it had some drag to it compared to a non-magnetraction board. But he said he wasn't sure if it did or not, or if it was just in his mind, but that was his impression.



Sprocket- If I felt like more aggressive and articulate riding I think this is where the XV has the edge on the Flag.

For how I normally like to ride, at this time I prefer the Flagship. Little more surfy (probably from the nose rising sooner than the XV), more mellow feeling, and the bigger turns. For me it is a fun ride where I can bomb and bash, but retain an element of mellow feeling.

I haven't ridden the Flag on icy or really nasty hard pack conditions yet to know where I think it stands against the XV.

On the groomed portion of the runs back to the chair, both boards can straight line haul, the XV quicker on the cutting and tight carving.

I guess for an "Oh crap" surprise moment and required immediate evasive maneuver, the XV has the edge over the Flag.

This weekend I think I'll take the Flag and XV with me so I can do some swapping back and forth between runs.
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Just ordered the 167 XV will get to test it out for 10 days before the season ends.
Racing board as you mentioned I first need to develop my stance angles for racing. Hope the XV will help.
Donek builds you a race board based on boot size & your rear boot angle.
Mid November I plan on spending 30 days in Colorado with the Epic Local pass to demo a Donek board, get race coaching & practice.
Hope then to order a Donek Race board by day 10.
Back to PA Mid December to enter some races.
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If nothing else, you'll have a great freeride board in your quiver.

I bet the 167 won't feel like you are riding a board that long.
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Good luck SnowDogWax.

Casper, thanks again for the input. I suspect the I would enjoy the 158 Flagship better on the moguls and in the trees.
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If nothing else, you'll have a great freeride board in your quiver.

I bet the 167 won't feel like you are riding a board that long.
Figured the price was worth it, my quiver is growing like weeds….
Again thanks for your comments on this thread.
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More updates-

Got take out the Flag and the XV this past weekend, wife had her Flag and Gnu Velvet Guru.

First day we did 1 run on our Flags. It was icy on the higher elevation and wind blown. Lower down there was a few inches of good soft snow/powder on top of hard icy pack.

The wife traded her Flag for her Gnu because of the edgehold and bite is better with the magnetraction Gnu. (We scored her a 159 XV from the local shop as soon as we rolled back into our home area).

I swapped for my XV on day 1. The Flag doesn't begin to compare with surefooted pitbull bite of the XV.

The Flag wasn't bad on the flat and pure icy pack getting off the lift, but the XV was better. Down the hill some where there was some soft on top of the icy pack, there was a big difference between the XV and Flag.

On edge turning, the Flag did more of a scraping across the ice under soft upper layer. The XV bit in and got it on.

The XV grips and maneuvers like an Indy car.

The next day was warmer and the snow softened up. Started out on the XV and the wife on her Gnu. Within a couple runs we went to the Flags and favored them for the day. The Flag seemed more forgiving over the soft chop, other tracks, etc. It also has more of a float feel and is more graceful at high speeds and smooth big turns.

I never got bucked or hit wet on the XV that bucked me to almost go over the bars. At this time I'm not completely sure if it's just the way the board handled it or if I didn't get into as bad snow as I did on the Flag. I did hit some wet and heavy that put the brakes on hard, but it didn't cause me to go on the nose as hard.

The Flag I got bucked to the nose several times from wet snow or just the some of the situations I hit, and also did the last time I had the board out a month ago or more; I can say that the stiff nose did its job and saved me from going into a front tumble.

Both seemed just as fast to straightline and bomb with.



Love both the Flag and the XV.

If it's going to be a questionable snow conditions or known ice/ hard, the XV is my go-to stick.

For softer conditions the Flag is my go-to stick.
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Old 11-26-2014, 03:51 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Had my XV today in 16" of pow at Copper and it just handled great. This being just my 3rd ever pow day the XV with its stiff nose kept me from a # of cartwheels. The tapered and softer tail gave me edge to edge quickness and confidence to let it rip. XV
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