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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 12:06 AM
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bern hard hat protection level

is it that bad of an idea to get a bern with a hard hat rating? i've read about every review i could find, and people seem to have mixed opinions. i scored the bern macon off of WM today for 22 bones, but will have no problem sending it back if it's not going to protect me that well.

i don't do rails, i don't get into the pipe, mostly medium level park riding, groomers, and some sparse backcountry. what level of beating can my noggin take in one of these?
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 01:17 AM
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Edit* No, the hard hat version does not have any snow sport safety rating.

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post #3 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 12:51 PM
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Ok, they look sweet and all but I personally wouldn't trust them as far as a helmet is concerned unless it has the EPS liner. The "Brock" liner hasn't passed any safety standards. Some of the helmets are listed as a hard hat because they can't claim a safety standard they haven't passed. The hard hat label is a clear warning to the person purchasing these helmets; you have no recourse if injured in such a way that a properly tested and certified helmet could have prevented.

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I apologize for my earlier post. After further research I have discovered what is going on with this helmet. It is available in Brock Hard hat foam and also in EPS foam. The helmet with the EPS is ASTM 2040 certified for snow so it would be legit. The Hard hat version is not. I would say return the helmet if it is for sure the Hard Hat version. Sorry.
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thanks for the replies and edits. just to make sure, are we talking fairly worthless protection? or just unprotected from 10' slams out of the pipe? slaughter, you gave a ton of awesome info...care to lend your opinion as well?
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I would say fairly worthless bro. The hard hat ratings are made for stuff following down on your head and are not designed for multiple impacts. What you could do, is see how much the EPS liner is online. If you purchased the helmet and put the EPS liner in, it would be a legit helmet. On the other hand, that will most likely cost you what a snowboard specific helmet is gonna cost.

When your getting a helmet, try and find something with an ASTM snow rating. There are a good number of used helmets you can find used/cheap online.

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I would say fairly worthless bro. The hard hat ratings are made for stuff following down on your head and are not designed for multiple impacts. What you could do, is see how much the EPS liner is online. If you purchased the helmet and put the EPS liner in, it would be a legit helmet. On the other hand, that will most likely cost you what a snowboard specific helmet is gonna cost.

When your getting a helmet, try and find something with an ASTM snow rating. There are a good number of used helmets you can find used/cheap online.
No disrespect but would you feel comfortable wearing a used helmet?
I don't think that is one item you should purchase used. just my 2 cents. Even if it's a multiple impact helmet...

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Not to crap on your last sentence, but would you feel comfortable wearing a used helmet?
I don't think that is one item you should purchase used. just my 2 cents. Even if it's a multiple impact helmet...

yeah...buying a used helmet wasn't really ever an option in my head. i stopped by modern skate (local shop) tonight and talked to someone about the bern helmets and she had some good things to say about certifications and how safe helmets are. i'm going to ride it a few times and then decide whether to return it or not. WM return policy ftw.
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No disrespect but would you feel comfortable wearing a used helmet?
I don't think that is one item you should purchase used. just my 2 cents. Even if it's a multiple impact helmet...
I have a friend who purchases his helmets used and has no problems. Granted I still believe in not pinching pennies when it comes to helmets, but if you are on a budget you have to make due. I don't feel there is any problem with wearing a used helmets given you have properly inspected the shell and liner for any damage. A lot of times you can also purchase a used shell and find a new liner for very cheap.
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