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Old 11-29-2010, 04:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was up in Whistler yesterday and brought out the Flagship 161 for the first time.

About me: 5’11” - 185lbs - 30yrs old - advanced rider, usually get 35 days or so on the snow each year, been riding since 2004 (started late) - like to charge down runs, search for steep powder, tree lines, chutes bowls… basically whatever interesting terrain I can find. Don’t ride park at all.

Conditions/runs I rode: Mixed - Hard packed groomers, some sketchy windblown steeps, chunky chopped up powder, and some gnarly tight tree-lines with powder covering some nasty rocks an branches. Basically the whole gamut other than deep deep powder runs.

I like to go fast down runs… my first impressions of the Flagship: “holy sh!t, this board is fast!”. At High speeds my Rome Agent would usually get unstable and squirrely before I would get close to speed levels that scared me… When I pointed the Flagship I started getting some serious speed in no time and the board would be totally stable and locked on - its the first board I have ridden where I have backed off because of the speed rather than the lack of control… AWESOME!

I half expected the longer sidecut to make the board a bit hard to maneuver in trees and carving around at slower speeds which was one reason I went for the 161 instead of the 164. I still think the 161 was the right choice for me, however the 164 would not have been a problem in this respect. The board was really easy to whip around in the trees and initiated carves really easily, which I guess was down to the Camrock profile. Once you start to bomb you really appreciate the longer sidecut… the board wants to ride straight down the mountain and was really responsive edge to edge when doing so. All in all the longer side cut combined with the early rise profile seems to be a great combination.

For me, the Mellow Magnetraction is the perfect version of this technology that I have ridden so far. In honesty I have not been a big fan of Magnetraction I have ridden in general - I have found it a bit too catchy, but certainly appreciated its grip on icy terrain. On the Flagship I didnt notice the MellowMag at all for the vast majority of the day (you can barely even see it visually). The one time we ventured down some steep windblown icy/hard packed slopes, I noticed that I still had great edge hold, and had enough confidence to ride pretty much uninhibited down the face. When our group got to the bottom my buddies all commented on how much they were sliding out and losing control on the ice, which hadn’t happened to me at all… So I gotta put that down to the MellowMag despite the fact that I hadn’t really noticed it in the same way that I had when riding regular Magnetraction.

Whenever I did hit powder the board floated really nicely and was really quick to steer… most of the time I was plowing though a lot of chop and the nose really dealt with everything in its way keeping the board really stable, I never felt bucked around despite going over some some pretty chunky terrain.

The last thing I noticed was how tough the base is. I went over some nasty rocks and roots that were hidden under some dusting of powder, and some of them I hit pretty hard (much to my dismay!). I was surprised and happy to find that when i looked at my base at the end of day there was only one superficial scratch on the whole thing…

All in all I am really happy with this board, and it is definitely gonna help me take my riding to another level… It would be really interesting to compare this to some of the Rossi boards that have a similar profile but with more camber between the feet (the Flagship is very nearly flat). I am just gonna have to remember to speed check now and again, now that I dont have my usual signals like crazy chatter and lose of edge control

first time i have done a review, so if you need me to add info or whatever let me know
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Nice read! That would have been my choice if I didn't find such an irresitible deal on my Arbor A-Frame...
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Old 12-17-2010, 06:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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OK -so second impressions of the flagship. Board still rides awesome as per the write up. Unfortunately, whilst the base is bombproof, the topsheet definitely ain't.

Sois there anyone out there with advice on how to protect the top sheet on the Flagship - Mine is chipping away already after only 5 days - I had a suggestion of using marine varnish, anyone tried this? I love the ride and the eco-friendly sentiment, but the top sheet just doesnt hold up well i am afraid.
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Nice review! Can't say I'm surprised about the topsheet though. I checked out the board pre-season at REI, and even on brand new boards on the shelf, a couple of them already had bubbles formed underneath the topsheet. Is it chipping from the edges? Not sure there's much you can do other than repair it as it occurs with some epoxy to keep it from spreading.
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I got mine, but haven't ridden it yet. I am in fear of the same thing with the topsheet. I may go the marine varnish route, but I really like the finish on it right now, so I got some butcher block conditioner and am in the process of putting a couple layers on it. it will not protect it from chipping, but it should help with potential standing water problems below the bindings. With the raw base, I fear of some rot over time if water stands in an area for a while.
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I got mine, but haven't ridden it yet. I am in fear of the same thing with the topsheet. I may go the marine varnish route, but I really like the finish on it right now, so I got some butcher block conditioner and am in the process of putting a couple layers on it. it will not protect it from chipping, but it should help with potential standing water problems below the bindings. With the raw base, I fear of some rot over time if water stands in an area for a while.
i heard that too...a friend ahad a Flagship at kirkwood, and I believe one of the shop guys was talking about the same water penetrating under the top sheet...
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