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Old 02-04-2013, 06:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I was approached. I denied. I also wasn't told I'd be a part of this "team". If I had known that's what I was being approached for the denial wouldn't have been because of company conflict, but because this isn't a good idea. Giving product for reviews is a sponsored review. No way around that. The idea of splitting the board review section up so that it isn't overwhelmed by one brand is a great idea, just like it was with the 2014 preview thread. That's all I'll say for now, bitch at me if you want, you wont get a response.
I'm not going to bitch, I just have an honest question because I'm not in the industry and I want to understand how this works.

Outside of test fests and the like, how are reviewers getting hold of the product if samples aren't sent to test? Not every brand requires people to send the board back, do they?

Again, not bitching. I'm honestly uninformed about it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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NS should take the boards back afterwards. There. Conflict of interest gone

Donate them to needy kids

Is that the industry standard?

The main issue I see with this argument is that it insinuates that the reviewers couldn't be trusted and I don't think that is a fair assumption to make about people we "know" and should be able to trust. Especially before they were given a chance to prove otherwise.
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Is that the industry standard?

The main issue I see with this argument is that it insinuates that the reviewers couldn't be trusted and I don't think that is a fair assumption to make about people we "know" and should be able to trust.
I don't think it comes down to trust, but you can't expect the most accurate reviews when someone is getting a board for free.

If I am given a board, I am going to prefer that over some other board without even trying. If Burton starts giving me free gear, their gear is going to automatically become the bee's knees in my mind.
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I don't think it comes down to trust, but you can't expect the most accurate reviews when someone is getting a board for free.

If I am given a board, I am going to prefer that over some other board without even trying. If Burton starts giving me free gear, their gear is going to automatically become the bee's knees in my mind.
What if you have access to free gear from most other big companies? Wouldn't that make you (and I do mean you specifically) less likely to be bought off with a simple board? It seems such a cheap cost for your integrity.
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I don't think it comes down to trust, but you can't expect the most accurate reviews when someone is getting a board for free.

If I am given a board, I am going to prefer that over some other board without even trying. If Burton starts giving me free gear, their gear is going to automatically become the bee's knees in my mind.
Why? How is BA able to talk shit about boards given for free, but you can't?

If you won a prize and got a free board, yeahh you're going to love it. You just won the lottery. You're excited.

If you are given a board to review then review it. Hell if someone gave me a board, and told me to tell them what I think, I might even nitpick it more than normal.

I think we need to put the bias accusations away, until there is actually bias. Like, there is a major flaw with a board but every tester ignored it.
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Why? How is BA able to talk shit about boards given for free, but you can't?

If you won a prize and got a free board, yeahh you're going to love it. You just won the lottery. You're excited.

If you are given a board to review then review it. Hell if someone gave me a board, and told me to tell them what I think, I might even nitpick it more than normal.

I think we need to put the bias accusations away, until there is actually bias. Like, there is a major flaw with a board but every tester ignored it.


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I'm not going to bitch, I just have an honest question because I'm not in the industry and I want to understand how this works.

Outside of test fests and the like, how are reviewers getting hold of the product if samples aren't sent to test? Not every brand requires people to send the board back, do they?

Again, not bitching. I'm honestly uninformed about it.
Actually that is exactly what separates good review sites from bad ones. Bad ones are in it to get the free shit. If you want to keep something, that decision should be made after you've ridden the product. That way the review is done already and is as unbiased as it can be.

Only picking Mervin cause they have high value, but if you consistently get like 10 Mervins to review that Mervin does not expect back, and you start giving them bad reviews what are the chances the next year they're willing to send another $5000 worth of boards? Expecting the free product influences your review. Don't wanna bite the hand that feeds.
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Actually that is exactly what separates good review sites from bad ones. Bad ones are in it to get the free shit. If you want to keep something, that decision should be made after you've ridden the product. That way the review is done already and is as unbiased as it can be.

Only picking Mervin cause they have high value, but if you consistently get like 10 Mervins to review that Mervin does not expect back, and you start giving them bad reviews what are the chances the next year they're willing to send another $5000 worth of boards? Expecting the free product influences your review. Don't wanna bite the hand that feeds.
I see how that can happen. It's not even wanting to keep the board for yourself, but getting more boards to review for the next year to keep the site going?

What a flawed system. Industry standard should be, send the damn board back.
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I see how that can happen. It's not even wanting to keep the board for yourself, but getting more boards to review for the next year to keep the site going?

What a flawed system. Industry standard should be, send the damn board back.
But even sending the board back won't solve your issue about future reviews. Under the current system, a reviewer basically has to like or kinda like almost every board if they expect that company to continue sending them samples.

Even if they send the sample back, a bad review causing a company to stop sending samples basically limits the content of the site and then the guy's livelihood. Basically then we can only trust hobbyist reviewers like aGNARchy who don't depend on their site to make a living.

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I don't think we are getting anywhere with these posts and may as well just lock this one down too.

1. I really like Snowwolf's reviews and have even PM'd him in the past for advice which he has graciously given me. I appreciate that.
2. I hope that we continue to see reviews on the forum, as that is one of the most interesting aspects. There is no doubt NS has a good product.
3. The bottom line is that the "team" loves their free boards and who wouldn't?
4. I think my personal view on a product could be tainted if I was being given $700 in product for free, and I consider myself a pretty ethical guy. If NS wants the biggest fanboy in the world, just send me a pm and let me know when my first board will arrive. I can just see the smile on my face bombing down the run on a free board.
5. NeverSummer is putting review links on their site which get directed to this forum. So there is some kind of businesslike relationship going on, and when it comes to business, money talks (free boards/free advertising) and bullshit walks.
6. I can tell you that my opinion on the "Cobra" for instance was heavily influenced, if not solely influenced, by Snowwolfs recommendation. I don't have the luxury of test riding a board, so was ready to buy it solely based on his review. I have to admit that I look at it in a different light now that I know free product is involved, even though I am confident Snowwolf is a stand up guy and has everybody's best interest in mind.

7. So there is no right or wrong. The team gets boards and are stoked. The rest of us get a review which may or may not be influenced by graft.
8. There is a reason why almost every company these days does not allow graft: it causes headaches like this.
9. I really like this forum and hope the bickering ends soon.
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