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Old 02-04-2013, 09:34 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Somehow this needs to be re-evaluated, restructured, or whatever the hell word that is appropriate. The little guy is gonna lose big time on this. In saying "little guy", I mean, some of us who share a passion for this sport, unfortunately, don't live particularly close to a hill nor do we have access to numerous board shops. This information was and still is very valuable to us. Somehow, some way this needs to be fixed ASAP.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Your Mervin analogy is missing a few variables. What if you actually like most of their boards? What then? What if Mervin actually likes if you don't like a board and can give them specific details on why you dislike it?
What if they really like them? Then what happens if they do end up getting a deck that isn't good? They are going to have a damn hard time not overlooking some of its faults from fear they won't get stuff next year and thus not getting the board they love. Still, no one wants to bight the hand that feeds.

Basically my thing about all this is reviews should be seperate from doing R&D for a brand. I wont be doing any of the reviews with the brand I work R&D with for this very reason.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:11 PM   #33 (permalink)
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What if they really like them? Then what happens if they do end up getting a deck that isn't good? They are going to have a damn hard time not overlooking some of its faults from fear they won't get stuff next year and thus not getting the board they love. Still, no one wants to bight the hand that feeds.

Basically my thing about all this is reviews should be seperate from doing R&D for a brand. I wont be doing any of the reviews with the brand I work R&D with for this very reason.
But now you're overlooking another point...

Biting the hand that feeds... yes, most of the other DT members do not get free gear elsewhere. However, they are people who bought NS boards previously with the exception of a couple.

As for myself, you know damn well I get hookups through my work. But yea, it is cool as eff to me to be getting free NS boards. Would I be bummed if they stopped giving me boards? Well, of course. But if their reason for doing so was because of a negative review I gave, then I'd be angry.

I really have no fear of them ceasing to send me boards. I'll just default back to obtaining free boards from brands my employer carries.
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Let's not bring up points about the psychology of getting free gear without bringing up the points about the psychology of defending your purchase.
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I would think there would be a point too where good reviewers are reviewing so many products that the bias is taken out. Why be biased towards one particular brand if you've got 3+ other brands to review? I'm sure there are talented reviewers out there who give shit away because they literally have no need for that many products.

I think it's a good idea and I'm looking forward to the reviews. The only thing I would have liked to have seen (and maybe I just missed it so my apologies if that's the case) is a dedicated female rider who can give honest feedback on the infinity, onyx, and raven. I'm looking for a board for the wife and was going to use those reviews when buying.
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I would think there would be a point too where good reviewers are reviewing so many products that the bias is taken out. Why be biased towards one particular brand if you've got 3+ other brands to review? I'm sure there are talented reviewers out there who give shit away because they literally have no need for that many products.

I think it's a good idea and I'm looking forward to the reviews. The only thing I would have liked to have seen (and maybe I just missed it so my apologies if that's the case) is a dedicated female rider who can give honest feedback on the infinity, onyx, and raven. I'm looking for a board for the wife and was going to use those reviews when buying.
There was a female reviewer on the roster.

I think her name was Shredler or something like that.
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Leo how does the new proto ride different?!!?!?!?

don't say "cuz harmonic thingys"
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Is that the industry standard?

The main issue I see with this argument is that it insinuates that the reviewers couldn't be trusted and I don't think that is a fair assumption to make about people we "know" and should be able to trust. Especially before they were given a chance to prove otherwise.
The fundamental issue with most 'reviews' is who effectively pays for them. There is a reason that organizations from Consumer Report to serious restaurant reviewers either purchase/pay for all the items they review or return them after the review:
Only if the reviewers are not funded by the producers can one eliminate the conflict of interest and (perceived) bias.

This holds for almost any 'product' - note the ignominious role played by the credit rating agencies in the recent financial crisis or by equity research analysts during the .com boom - both these groups were effectively paid by the issuers/companies for their 'reviews' and the results were predictable.

Note that this even the case for indirect funding - e.g., car magazines do not get 'free' cars that they get to keep after their reviews. However, economically they depend on advertising from the exact same manufacturers and they can ill afford to 'bite the hand that feeds them'. As a result, most reviews are overwhelmingly positive.

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What if you have access to free gear from most other big companies? Wouldn't that make you (and I do mean you specifically) less likely to be bought off with a simple board? It seems such a cheap cost for your integrity.
Sounds nice but practically completely impossible/not workable. Who is going to 'anoint' the reviewers that are going to get all this free gear? And it provides even more motivation for manufacturers to provide 'incentives' in order to secure positive reviews - say NS sending over 20 instead of 10 boards, Mervin including a few Cyrus decks in the review batch, etc.
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Leo how does the new proto ride different?!!?!?!?

don't say "cuz harmonic thingys"
I'm afraid to say...

I might get burned at the stake for reviewing it.
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There was a female reviewer on the roster.

I think her name was Shredler or something like that.
thanks crash, must have missed it.
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