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killclimbz 02-04-2013 12:44 PM

The Never Summer Review Forum
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So I go to SIA for a few days, unplug from the internet for the most part and we have a huge shit storm? Typical.

So what the heck was this all about?

Never Summer is trying to do something pretty cool. Giving some forum members a chance to ride gear they haven't released yet and get some feed back from them about what is working for them and what doesn't from the layman. They have their bad ass riders of course, but your recreational rider is also a valid source. I get it.

Several members of this forum, myself included were invited to do this. I've been giving feed back on splitboards for the past few years. Never Summer has also been a huge supporter of Friends of Berthoud Pass which is a not for profit 501(c)3 that I actively volunteer for. Our most basic mission is to raise avalanche knowledge through free basic avalanche awareness classes. This lets people decide if it is something they want to get into without a huge investment. We encourage those who want to learn more to continue their avalanche education. Even though it's a volunteer organization there are a ton of expenses we incur. Never Summer has been a huge part in allowing us to continue our mission for the last few years and I personally thank them. They are a good crew.

The reality is, I have been asked to do something I was already doing. Just now with a name. Several other members had been doing this too.

So what went wrong? I think our presentation fell short. I've been at SIA and had not really been watching the site. I am not a heads down generation person. If I am doing something I generally unplug from the internet. It gets me into life and allows me to keep my sanity when dealing with the forum world. Regardless, the Never Summer forum on our main forum list was probably not the best spot for it. It did portray a large bias that I can understand people taking offense to it. I wanted it contained within the review or snowboard section, but due to my absence, I had never voiced an opinion on how this should have been launched. Even then maybe this would have still blown up in our face. That is the risk with the internet.

This forum is very much pro Neversummer, I won't deny it. Other brands are represented here too, for whatever reason NS is at or near the top. Go to EL and C3 is well represented there. It's just how it has evolved.

None of this was meant to be a secret society. The behind the scenes stuff was trying to get our ducks in a row and our hand got forced. Which lead to mistakes instead of a better planned announcement.

For now the Never Summer forum/sub forum is gone. Maybe it just wasn't going to work. Reviews, if the Team Members choose, will be put in the review forum. At some point I may put up a company review forum, with sub forums built in for various companies. Burton, Arbor, Rome, Never Summer, etc.

Any company that would like to get member input on their products is welcome to approach us. If you'd like to use a group, admins, mods, active members, whoever, that would be awesome. I am not the guy you want to approach if you want feedback on your new freestyle binding or twin tip board. I won't be upset if I am not chosen.

This experiment is not done, but we'll do it differently. We're trying something a little new, the message was heard to tone it down. What was originally envisioned just didn't work. I apologize for the presentation.

If you have a problem with it, by all means let me know. Just one rule: Don't be a jerk about it.

Thanks gang,


scotty100 02-04-2013 01:00 PM

I think the reviews by the team members should definitely be posted on this forum. If it means just individual threads in the board review section then so be it. But they should absolutely be put up to enable knowledge and info sharing back to the community. For those who perceive bias, easy solution - don't read the reviews.

snowklinger 02-04-2013 03:42 PM

see what happens? :dunno:


I may post alot but it's overmatched by my time in the alpine, thank god. Fucking internet jockeys...

I'm still gonna go split with the Wolfman some day you fucking buttpunchers.

BigmountainVMD 02-04-2013 04:44 PM

I don't know how much space is available for sub forums, but I think it would be nice to see a page for each company, even the little guys. I think it would make for a solid, functional review system, that is not based on the "search" function. Especially if you had a set of guidelines for what to include in each review. Nothing worse than trying to get a review and finding it incomplete.

If a particular company sub-forum does not get filled out... well that is simply because no one felt like taking the time. This could even push more companies to support the forum and it's members. If a rep from a company checks out the site and notices a lack of response in it's review section... they might think of tossing out a couple samples for some honest feedback.

readimag 02-04-2013 05:10 PM

I get why this totally imploded from the beginning, people have strong ties to the board they love and want to see it rep’ed also. I agree that you can have sub forums for all the companies and if a new board company comes it is not to hard to make a new one. In the end you can’t make everyone happy and someone is always going to feel butt hurt and that is just life. What really kills me about the internet is people get all “internet angry” at one post and just fly off the handle at people. Most people in a real face to face conversation don’t act like this minus BA who I am convinced does act the same here as in real life. I hope this move by Never Summer is also picked up by some other companies and others get to partake in the demo of pre released merchandise. 02-04-2013 05:17 PM

who is BA?

brucew. 02-04-2013 05:28 PM

That sucks, I was looking forward to reading the reviews as I get ready to start thinking about a new board. It will be an even bigger loss if we lose some of the contributing members from that project.

jdang307 02-04-2013 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Snowolf (Post 678386)
Oh but haven't you heard? You can't get honest feedback by giving out a board. The only way you can get honest feedback is if a blogger gets paid commission by companies for reviews. This can't be done for free of course because that might undermine some blogger's livelihood.

Crazy talk.....:D

So no Proto HD review on the forum anymore? That sucks. I was looking forward to it.

Nivek 02-04-2013 06:50 PM

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I was approached. I denied. I also wasn't told I'd be a part of this "team". If I had known that's what I was being approached for the denial wouldn't have been because of company conflict, but because this isn't a good idea. Giving product for reviews is a sponsored review. No way around that. The idea of splitting the board review section up so that it isn't overwhelmed by one brand is a great idea, just like it was with the 2014 preview thread. That's all I'll say for now, bitch at me if you want, you wont get a response.

jdang307 02-04-2013 06:54 PM

NS should take the boards back afterwards. There. Conflict of interest gone

Donate them to needy kids


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