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Most mud tires do suck in the snow on the street. They're good in deep snow, but on plowed roads they're some of the worst. You need siping for street snow performance. The more biting edges on the tire, the better off you are. That's what siping does. That's why I thought those Cooper Zeons I had would be good in the snow. Holy hell, I was wrong. They were AWFUL.

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Not gonna lie, both of those tires y'all have posted look like they'd be dog shit in the snow.
Looks can be deceiving...

The General G-Max had better than average reviews in snow. I can't speak for the OP in the SF Bay area, but I'm in STL and snow isn't as much a factor as performance, wear, and price.

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I think we're talking All-Season tires here.

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Looks can be deceiving...

The General G-Max had better than average reviews in snow. I can't speak for the OP in the SF Bay area, but I'm in STL and snow isn't as much a factor as performance, wear, and price.
So did the Cooper Zeons I had. Reviews are only as good as the reviewer. I'm almost certain that most snow reviews come from people who drive in the snow once or twice a year and that consists of driving down to the nearest parking lot to spin donuts.

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Reviews are only as good as the reviewer.
Or, tire performance is only as good as the driver. Good reviews come from good drivers, and bad reviews from bad ones.
Those Cooper tires don't really seem like that great of a snow tire. They are more of an aggressive A/T design... and A/T is not exactly the same as A/S.


To contribute to OP, I have a set of Kumho 'performance' all-seasons... not sure of the specific model right off hand. Very wallet-friendly compared to a lot of other performance A/S options. Great on dry roads, and never have doubts during the winter... but Quattro helps a lot with that as well.
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Or, tire performance is only as good as the driver. Good reviews come from good drivers, and bad reviews from bad ones.
Ummm... yeah. That's what I was saying.

Those Coopers were just a failure. They were supposed to be an A/T, but they sucked on anything not pavement.

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So did the Cooper Zeons I had. Reviews are only as good as the reviewer. I'm almost certain that most snow reviews come from people who drive in the snow once or twice a year and that consists of driving down to the nearest parking lot to spin donuts.
the last 30 miles uphill are usually snowed in every time, so 60 round trip... my max was 40 day trips in a season.. my minimum 12, so around 100 miles on snow per season average. Got slightly bumped in the back once by a truck...that could not stop when I did .

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Nokian WR G3

Nice tires... they look similar to the ones I got, The tread pattern I mean.

Pros:

Better high-speed handling than the WRG2
Smooth, firm and quiet ride
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Snow and ice grip are markedly worse.
My wife now wants to grab a new set of WRG2's before they go away.

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Review: Nokian WRG3 Asymmetric

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giving the conti dws all seasons a go right now, so far i'm really impressed with them. i've been on dunlop wintersport m3's for a long time, loved those as a full on winter tire. (car is an 02 audi A6)

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