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Old 12-17-2013, 07:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Greetings!

Steamboat was wonderful this Saturday!!
Some of the prettiest tree runs I have ever ridden in.
But I digress...

I have read some threads here and researched the web and Im still a little confused on the process
So I have a SWIX iron. (Using Libtech Alltemp wax) I have the setting wear the wax melts well and without smoke. When I am speading the wax into the base it almost feels like the Iron isnt hot enough. (eg. When I put my hand on the top sheet it really doesnt feel all that hot and takes some massaging to melt the wax)
I read you could risk damaging the base, but with the above I really cant see how that's possible.

Do I need to ratchet up the heat? Or is this the behavior I should expect.

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Sounds pretty normal. If it's really cold outside I've found it can be more difficult to get the wax to spread. If this is the case I just tend to work in smaller areas rather than trying to get the wax to spread across the whole board at once.

You can crank up the heat a bit but make sure you keep that iron moving if you do.
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Sounds pretty normal. If it's really cold outside I've found it can be more difficult to get the wax to spread. If this is the case I just tend to work in smaller areas rather than trying to get the wax to spread across the whole board at once.

You can crank up the heat a bit but make sure you keep that iron moving if you do.
Got it!
Thank you

The other reason for the question and what got me thinking, is If the heat isnt high enough, is the wax really getting into the base?
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For irons.... I have found a heavier base iron seems to work better for snowboards at being about to consistently melt and distribute the wax.

I had a Swix T75XF, which I had a struggle a bit to apply the wax. (works fine on skis).

This year I bought Toko T14 iron which is a lot meatier on the base, which works a lot better.

To answer the other question, just keep applying heat through the iron until the base heats up (when the top sheet is warm to the touch, is your indication), of course, gotta keep the iron moving.

All-temp waxes usually melt at about 130C.

when you hit the 140C mark, that is danger territory for damaging the base.
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I used this video to learn how to..

He isn't moving the iron as fast around as i actually thought you should at the beginning, but what i hear him saying is your have to make sure theres enough wax on the board so the iron don't touch the base directly.

Edit: And as you said yourself the temp has to be somewhere just above melting and not smoking :-D

Basic Ski and Snowboard Hot Waxing - YouTube

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I used this video to learn how to..

He isn't moving the iron as fast around as i actually thought you should at the beginning, but what i hear him saying is your have to make sure theres enough wax on the board so the iron don't touch the base directly.

Edit: And as you said yourself the temp has to be somewhere just above melting and not smoking :-D

Basic Ski and Snowboard Hot Waxing - YouTube

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Damn he used a lot of wax. Of course he's doing a ski so it's easy to scrape when your scraper is wider than the board.

I try and use as little wax as I can, just enough to barely cover the board. Less scraping in the end.

Hasbeen, I use a pretty shitty iron and it gets hot and cold. If it's really hot I just move it around more. No smoking.
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Greetings!

Do I need to ratchet up the heat? Or is this the behavior I should expect.

As always, Thanks everyone!
Get a hair dryer and warm the base a tad before you start waxing, this opens the pores and allows all the wax to fill in. I wouldn't worry about scorching the base to much as I have gotten my base pretty hot and never noticed anything wrong with the board. As long as your iron isnt smoking you shouldn't have any issues. You want it hot and dont be afraid to keep it in one spot for a few seconds. The best way to tell if its hot enough is if your having an easy time melting the wax stick onto the base but with no smoke emitting from the iron.

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That is a LOT of wax! I'd guesstimate that I use a third to a half of what he used on one ski for an entire board.
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Since my flurowax doesn't drip on.... I use the combo in the video below (see 0:15 thru 0:30)



See 13:00 to about 13:40.... where Willi Wiltz explains why he prefers why more is better.


Of course, there is a sweet spot in amount of wax with the thermal layer and just plain wasting wax.

Though.. hydrocarbon wax is cheap.
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