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MichaelRyanSD 01-17-2014 12:43 PM

Snowboarders suing a ski slope on constitutional grounds
 
Not sure if this is a repost, but found this article, thought I'd share

Do Snowboarders Have A Constitutional Right To Ski Slopes? – Consumerist

miplatt88 01-17-2014 01:09 PM

Finally. I'm not sure why it took snowboarders so long to sue them. I think they will win too. I have no issue with a resort on private lands baring snowboarders but discrimination on public land is pretty unconstitutional.

Rob23 01-17-2014 01:20 PM

What the skiers at Alta think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwWDMAEYe5c

Wonder if these are the same guys suing them.

supham 01-17-2014 01:20 PM

It sucks, but I do not see Snowboarders as a protected class.

I say they should be aloud, but think the law is on Altas side and they will win.

surfinsnow 01-17-2014 01:20 PM

The people who voted that this is legal and constitutional are ignorant fools. Yes, I supposed you could expect a snowboarder to say as much, but here is the rub...this is NOT a private resort. MY TAX MONEY pays for this forest land, and as such, I have just as much legal right to enjoy it as do skiers. Period. No discussion. A privately-held resort can do anything they want. They can say you can't wear pants. They can say there are no greens or blues. The can charge you $20,000 a day to ride (good luck), because they are private companies. While the "resort" of Alta has a lease with you and me, the taxpayers, they are not a private resort. The forest land is owned by the taxpayers, and therefore they have absolutely no right to discriminate against snowboarders anymore than they do blacks, Chinese, New Yorkers, goofy foots, whatever. You are paying for it, you should be allowed to use it. Or allow me to take a tax deduction to offset my denial of use.

supham 01-17-2014 01:22 PM

So hikers should be allowed as well?
How about I walk my dog?

KansasNoob 01-17-2014 01:27 PM

Technically snowboarding is allowed there. The resort is public property so you can do as you please. However the lifts and lodge, etc are owned by the resort, so they feel that they have the right to limit who gets to ride their lifts. Alta pays for their right to run the resort there. Yeah it's unfair, and Alta has some sweet terrain, but if you really want to snowboard there you have every right to hike up.

surfinsnow 01-17-2014 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supham (Post 1445585)
So hikers should be aloud as well?
How about I walk my dog?

Why not? It is pretty common out here in the East...since it is PUBLIC LAND you've paid for with your taxes, leased to the resort by the government to which you've paid your taxes, you can walk up the mountain if you want. Snowshoe. Bring your dog. I've seen it many, many times. You can't use their lifts for free...there is a fee for that. But there is no way the government can keep you off of government land which you've paid for (unless, of course, it is a secure military location, or an airport, etc).

They just ask that you walk to the perimeter of the trails. All the same rules. Let's take it a step further...what is to stop "them" from saying snowboarders can't drive on the access roads to the ski resorts? It's public land, paid for with public funds. Who gives a fuck what is strapped to your feet?

You can hike up it in the summer. I know people who do it naked, because there are so few people. What difference does it make if there is snow on the ground?

poutanen 01-17-2014 01:41 PM

It's funny cause the resort I patrol at is on public land. When people go out of bounds we won't clip their passes (as far as I know) we just stop them when they come back in bounds and explain to them the dangers of heading out of bounds.

As for the ALTA issue, I say fuck it. Why give them the right to have your money?!? If it's public land just snowmobile up the thing and board down poaching the best powder stashes! Elitist dorks...

lisevolution 01-17-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by surfinsnow (Post 1445569)
The people who voted that this is legal and constitutional are ignorant fools. Yes, I supposed you could expect a snowboarder to say as much, but here is the rub...this NOT a private resort. MY TAX MONEY pays for this resort, and as such, I have just as much legal right to enjoy it as do skiers. Period. No discussion. A privately-held resort can do anything they want. They can say you can't wear pants. They can say there are no greens or blues. The can charge you $20,000 a day to ride (good luck), because they are private companies. Alta is NOT. It is owned by the taxpayers, and therefore they have to right to discriminate against snowboarders anymore than they do blacks, Chinese, New Yorkers, whatever. You are paying for it, you should be allowed to use it. Or allow me to take a tax deduction to offset my denial of use.

You're half right... your tax money pays for the land that's owned by the US Forrest Service that Alta ski resort sits on. The resort itself is a privately owned and operated entity and thus everything besides the mountain itself is privately owned. I can see this going the route of allowing boarders to ride the mountain but with no use of the privately owned lifts or lodges which essentially means almost everyone will just go next door to snowbird or down the road to Brighton and Solitude.

To me if a mountain wants to restrict their profit by limiting their mountain to just skiers that's on them for their stupidity. The best part of this story is when you read some of the comments on the articles by skiers who continue to push the old stereotypes of snowboarders and why the mountain is better if we're not on it. Things like we stop in the middle of runs and sit down... ok it's better when a pack of skiers stops in the middle of the run because they're standing? Or we scrape all the snow off a run, because beginner skiers don't do that when they're pizza slicing down the mountain either. My favorite is that we ride the mountain out of control and cause accidents. That one cracks me up because I've been taken out at least a dozen times by skiers who either aren't paying attention, pop out of the trees in front of you without looking or just aren't that good yet and fall and take you out. Meanwhile maybe once or twice was I taken out by a fellow boarder in my near 15 years riding a snowboard now.

I thought we'd moved past most of that animosity but I guess at the skiers only mountains the old stereotypes still hold strong.


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