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Old 01-27-2014, 09:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been snowboarding for a while now done 2 seasons and I ask this question alot to boarders and skiers alike. I always get a different opinion from nearly everyone.

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A good boarder was boarding down a run not that busy and see's a lip he can jump off. He hasn't seen anyone go down the run for a while on that side and decides to jump the lip. He jumps and see's a Ski instructor hidden at the bottom of the lip in the shade with a ski school. The boarder does a chicken dance in mid-air and slams into the side of the piste just missing the instructor.
The boarder starts yelling at the instructor saying why have you stopped at the bottom of the lip with a ski school in the shade where no one can see you!

The instrutor demands the pass off the boarder and snaps it in half!

Who is wrong in this situation?

Before anyone asks.........No the boarder was not me and this happened in France!
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The boarder carries the Ultimate liability there, at least in the US the downhill person always has right of way....

The instructor should not.be teaching these bad habits either. I always stop and tell the instructors around here that they should not be teaching bad habits of hanging under blind rollers, cutting all the way across piste immediately and blindly, lining up across the run blocking with 6-8 people side to side....
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Technically, the boarder. Skiers and riders downhill always have the right of way. However, the instructor absolutely should've known better than to stop with a class in an obvious blind spot.
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You've kinda taken the on the fence view alot of people go either way! I sympathies with the boarder as I saw him in the Bar afterwards! The instructor especially ESF seem to have a "godlike" status in France so you would probably be banned for life if you told one of them to not teach bad habits!!

The instructor should not.be teaching these bad habits either. I always stop and tell the instructors around here that they should not be teaching bad habits of hanging under blind rollers, cutting all the way across piste immediately and blindly, lining up across the run blocking with 6-8 people side to side....[/QUOTE]
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Technically they're both in the wrong, or at least they would be if they were in the states.

Person down hill has the right of way, but it also clearly says that one should stop in areas where they can be seen both uphill and downhill and not hidden by natural terrain.

That said fuck the instructor. They are in no position to ask for or take your pass and telling them to eat a bag of dicks comes to mind.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:45 PM   #6 (permalink)
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No joke, I would have yelled back at him and rode off. Duck him.
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No joke, I would have yelled back at him and rode off. Duck him.
How do you know a Ski instructor has walked into a bar?

He tells you.

What's the difference between good and a ski instructor?

God doesn't think he can ski.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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That said fuck the instructor. They are in no position to ask for or take your pass and telling them to eat a bag of dicks comes to mind.
Am I the only other one wondering this too? Do the ESF have the same authority as the actual resort staff/lift operators? I wouldn't have shown him my pass. However, if he had physically somehow got it off me, and then snapped it, I would have slapped the silly sally then took him and snapped HIM
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:04 AM   #9 (permalink)
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First problem is, it's ESF. A bigger bunch of self righteous entitled dicks you will never meet. So he's on a to a loser from the get go and can't win.

Secondly, instructor at fault, IMO - the boarder is responsible for those below him, and was as he didn't hit them.


Just a point worth making as well - everyone always remembers that the person downhill has the right of way. What they forget is that anyone starting up again on a piste must check up hill and give way. And that you are responsible for where you stop and not being in a blind spot. Ski patrol in Whistler have actually made a point of raising some of these issues of Alpine Responsibility lately:

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Be aware of where you stop on piste, make sure others can see you if they come fast. If you lead a group plan ahead and stop where you feel everyone including other skiers/boarders will not collide. Make sure you don't create a bottleneck, be aware how much room your group takes up on the slope or lift areas. Plan ahead.

Don't cut across a run from one side to the other without a good look that no one is coming, avoid abrupt change of direction without a shoulder check. If you exit out of the trees into a ski run, check you are not cutting anyone off.
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It's one of my pet peeves on the mountain, people who know only the one rule and forget the rest. That and ski schools actually doing those two things (stopping in a blind spot and starting up from a stop without checking up hill first) - teaching bad habits from the start.
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Both are kind of in the wrong...though I would not have yelled nor stop...and just given a glare/shook my head and road off...saying to myself...dumb bastard is lucky I didn't wipe him out. A miss is a no fowl, no fault, no worries at the little hill.
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