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Whats up with the bottom of my sons Burton Board?

This is after a 3 day trip to Snowshoe WV. Icy as hell the first 2 days and slushy conditions on the final day. I waxed it before we left with EAST COAST brand all temp wax. It has turned a little white around the edges before, and waxing it has always fixed it, but I'm not sure it will this time. What do you guys think?






The board is a 120 cm Chopper, my son Tanner is a beginner, he weighs about 60 lbs.

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Needs wax, that's what happens, you get that grey streaks.
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This is after a 3 day trip to Snowshoe WV. Icy as hell the first 2 days and slushy conditions on the final day. I waxed it before we left with EAST COAST brand all temp wax. It has turned a little white around the edges before, and waxing it has always fixed it, but I'm not sure it will this time. What do you guys think?
The board is a 120 cm Chopper, my son Tanner is a beginner, he weighs about 60 lbs.
my kids have the same board and it usually happens the same to them: it is a combination of extruded base (which retains wax worse) and the fact that, being beginners, they spend most of the time on an edge.

try waxing it first: if this does not solve the problem, you might want to try with a very fine glass-paper (grind it on some metal first, to smoth it a bit more) to remove the burnt part of the base; then polish and wax.

you can also try and use a cold-temp wax for the outer parts: it should last a bit more.

all in all, not a big problem, just be sure to wax as frequently as you can.
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Yeah I plan to wax 4 boards Saturday. (Mine, wife's and 2 boys) All of them have a little "graying" around the edges, which has happened before, and waxing fixes it. But his board has never been that bad. Maybe because his base is a dark blue, it just looks worse. Thanks Lamps.

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Graying is normal, but that looks REALLY bad. I would get in contact with Burton about that to see what they have to say...
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pretty sure a thorough hand wax will sort it out .

get the kids to help out, mine like to help with waxing, athough they're scraping skills aren't great. they're good at putting wax on and not bad at brushing.
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Nasty board burn... a deep wax may solve the problem. Becuase he spends so much time on his edges, deep wax those edges with a cold temp wax. By Deep wax. I mean melt it in real good, let it dry completely, than melt it in again. Scrape it off and wax the entire board again with the same two melt process.

The cold temp wax on the edges will hold a bit better in the extruded base.
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Thanks guys. I'm waxing our boards tomorrow and putting them up for the season. With baseball, soccer and other activities, our riding in NC is over until November I'm afraid. I plan to put on heavy coats of wax and leave it on over the summer. I have 3 boys. The 18 and 14 yr. old wax their own stuff. I still have to do the wife's, mine, and Tanners.

I was just surprised to see his board like that. He only weighs 60 lbs. He just started using his toe edge this past weekend. I weigh 260 and have been linking turns all year, and mine never looked that bad. Again, I use EAST COAST wax. They are out of NY if I remember. I like the wax because it goes on nice and smells great! But has anyone else tried their stuff?

I'll post up some pics after I wax it. Thanks again.

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I use EAST COAST wax. They are out of NY if I remember. I like the wax because it goes on nice and smells great! But has anyone else tried their stuff?

I'll post up some pics after I wax it. Thanks again.
I've been using ECW all this season on my 2 boards. I've been really happy with it thus far and notice it seems to last longer than the OBJ I'd been using.

My Ride deck is an extruded (multi colored base); the GNU, sintered (black base). Only normal wax wear, nothing like what you posted.

Something I noticed first time waxing with ECW is that it was more difficult to scrape than the OBJ. But I thought that was a good thing, as it'll likely last longer. Spoke to a rep for the company and they suggested scraping a bit warm, waiting only around 10 mins to scrape. Previously I'd been leaving it at least 30 mins or even overnight. The 10 min wait definitely made a difference.

Considering your other multiple boards don't show the same thing, I'd wonder if it is specific to that board's base.
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People say white means needs wax, but this usually isn't true, especially on the edges. There's no way that is "dryness" white in that pic. If you can scratch it off with your nail, it's not lacking wax. If it's faint, dry, and hairy looking, that's another story. Yours just looks like a freshly waxed board that someone rode the edges on.

Since it's probably not dry, it's either base burn, or excess wax. Try scraping better, and let the board cool before scraping. If you scrape when it's too warm, then as the base dries and the base material contracts, it pushes more wax out. (Edit: Odd, poster above suggests the opposite experience. Try both I guess.)

If it's base burn, you need a grind. I doubt it's base burn though, because it's on the edges and is more consistent with the areas favored while riding the board as opposed to being consistent with where the iron was left on. Base burn is from bad iron usage and tends to be patches. Base burn does not happen from a kid learning to link turns and favoring edges a lot. It isn't base burn. Ptex is WAY stronger than that.

Read this for causes of white areas on a base. Contrary to often repeated advice, lacking wax is the least likely of causes:

SkiWax.ca White Patch On Ski Base

I have one board with a sintered base that hasn't been waxed in about 10 years. It's not nearly that white. If you scratch it, you can't scratch the dry off. Obviously.

If you scratch your nail across that one, and it comes off, it's the opposite of a dry spot. It's wax! So you're re-waxing too soon. It won't hurt anything but it's a waste of time/wax.

Scratch your nail into it and say what happens. If your nail doesn't leave a dark spot among the white/gray, taking some residue off, and it is in fact bone dry, I will be very shocked.

I see people get white edges after a day out, look at their board, leave a big trail in it with their fingernail, and say "I guess that means it's time to wax!" Wtf, how does that make sense?

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get the kids to help out, mine like to help with waxing, athough they're scraping skills aren't great. they're good at putting wax on and not bad at brushing.
Probably a bad idea. Wax fumes are highly toxic. I wouldn't go out of my way to expose children to it. There are studies where they have found high levels of all kinds of bad shit in the blood of shop techs (from the wax). Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...buildup-blood/

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