tylerkat89

I've watched Subaru's mob in pure snow with NO chains on and keep a lot of control so idk where people are getting off comparing chained tires and such to an AWD Subaru with snow tires. Clearance is obviously a plus, but just making it up to the mountain and down to get me my snowboard fix and around SoCal, the Subaru wins all day. Maybe if I need to lug shit off road, or tow things for my outdoor gear, but that isn't the title of the thread now is it.

backk to the topic


'97 4Runner limited.
Bald Tires
Bad Breaks
Shot Suspension.
Still keeps up with everyone else.

In the end, fuck what you drive, it's how you drive it.

Cormier

Lol that Honda guys are on this forum as well ... I thought it as only car forums!

Now THAT is prolly pretty sweet.

I'm in a 2001 BMW 330xi with blizzaks as well. Undefeatable. Good set of wipers and my Thule top box and its game over regardless of conditions. The AWD and good snow tire combo really works (obviously)





See -- she even drives snowmobile trails..... (Once was enough)

Argo

You guys with your car talk are smoking crack. Sure a civic and awd car have there place but a civics place is not in the mountains. The subaru, Audi, Volvo awd cars are great in most conditions and I'm most likely going to buy a wrx/sti in the near future for my wife. That being said, have pulled out, given rides to and helped more people than I'd like to while driving my truck through the mountains. People who's lives and income depend daily on getting to work over passes that don't close or get plowed before 730(Leadville to minturn/vail) drive a truck of some sort with 4wd or carpool on bad days with someone that has one......

My truck is a 1 ton dodge mega cab 4x4. Lifted with 35" winter/snow rated tires. I have never once not been able to get somewhere. I don't give a shit about my fuel mileage but I get 18-20mpg on the highway and it will do whatever speed I want going over any mountain pass. Trust me, I fly by plenty of those little 4-6cyl cars that can barely keep the speed limit over the passes, fucking stupid....

Argo

Kirkrider, the tracks on that subaru are sweet but are $40k new just for tracks. They make any vehicle unstoppable on snow though. There are a few jeeps and 4x4 vans up here with them. They will literally drive through/over any snow condition.... Kinda like some of these guys imagine their civics and subis do.....

snowklinger

Honda guy? I have 2 civics, I don't even change my own oil. These things have excellent snow handling, power to weight ratio, gas mileage, overall reliability, I treat the 2 I have like shit and they just keep on going.

I am in the market for a truck for summer 4x4 trailhead access, but even if I got one, I would not drive it to snowboarding for all the reasons I have already mentioned.

Last year I talked to a ~50 year old guy in the parking lot in a Honda Accord who has been making the Denver - Summit/Vail drive for 30 years and owned all of the above. All the non-wrx Subys are underpowered by comparison to the Hondas, weigh significantly more due to the extra AWD shit, and get worse gas mileage.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone that AWD owns, but 2wd, lightweight vehicle, snowtires, I can stop faster than any of you, and thats my number 1 concern in winter driving.

Argo If I lived up there, it would be different. However I put ALOT of miles on my car, and that beast you got is NOT economical for a Denver-Vail commute. If I slide off the road I would love a yank tho, pls pm your # ty

I suppose we are all talking about 2 different things. Most people live in towns like LA, Denver, SLC, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, and make a drive on somewhat plowed roads. This is my category and why my Hondas kick fucking ass.

Living in a small mountain town is another animal. Have you guys ever had to drive a Civic in the snow?

I just don't buy into bigger is better.

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a bag of it

+1 my wrx can make it 95% of the places I'm trying to go, but a truck will get you through some deep stuff that I could only dream of doing. I've thought about getting a rally lift to make it more capable off road but I also wanna lower it because the stock suspension is trash on the streets.

gmore10

I'd trade my power stroke for a cummins any day of the week if only I hadn't put so much into my ford

Argo

Three of my coworkers had them last season.... One has a forrester this year, one has a Honda pilot, one has a Toyota pickup now..... They all learned their lessons...... I gave rides to all of them at least once last year.

snowklinger

Also Argo, most cars have the ablity to keep speed uphill, but the drivers fail to see it coming and speed up or downshift or whatever, I'm not saying you don't overpower me in that monster, but me and my car are not the slowfucks you are blazing by up the passes. I drive 75-85 up these hills too. Tell your coworkers to learn to drive, maybe slow the fuck down when there is snow on the road . (no really bro if I lived up there I would go for a little more muscle and size, but I also would drive like 5x less)

To everyone else, I commute from Denver into the Rockies for work or snowboarding 365 days a year, and I ride more than 90% of the people on this forum. These statements about my cars are not some theory, some random assumptions made in a vacuum. As my cars get older, I go round and round as I consider other options, but something like what I have just keeps coming up on top.

I'm not sitting here saying if money was no object my honda civic is the best car in the world, but I'm gonna defend it. Done right by me. I still have more reliability, and stopping power than any of you regardless.

A Taco is on my shortlist, but its hard to justify losing 10-15mpg.

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gmore10

Why stop when you can just drive over cars