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Old 11-12-2012, 01:21 AM   #1161 (permalink)
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Coming from a professional driver with 22 years and almost 2 million miles of accident free driving semis pulling double trailers in the PNW and western Canada in every condition possible, I can unequivocally confirm that this generalization has a flip side. I have seen just as many if not more dumbasses in 4X4 pickups and big SUV's driving like idiots, crashing, closing the road and usually killing someone else in the process! When these people fuck up it usually is more spectacular and keeps your road closed for a much longer time.

It's the Indian, not the arrow. Skill and common sense trumps equipment every time. Having said that, I drive a pickup when not driving a semi and in deep unplowed snow it is a better tool for the job than a small car. The problem I see with the average pickup and SUV driver is they think they are invincible and overdrive their skill level and the actual capability of their vehicle.

On a plowed icy road, I actually think the small FWD car handles better than a large heavy pickup with a high center of gravity. It all comes down to the driver.

Which brings me to this shit storm with Snowklinger and Comeback. Comeback, we have had this conversation before in this thread a few years back. Your tone is always caustic and incendiary. You seem to start fights in almost every thread you become engaged in. Do us all a favor and think about how other people may react and tone it down. Not every post has to end with "you idiot" ( even when you don't write it, your tone still says it).

Snowklinger, don't react, respond. It's cool that you are so capable navigating your car on these shit roads but don't let someone who disagrees with you in a trollish manner allow you to loose your control and stoop to that same level in your responses. There are plenty of people who will agree with you that your car is just fine in the snow and plenty who will not. If it works for you that is all that is important. Personally up here because of the depth and density of our snow, combined with the fact ODOT is incompetent at plowing roads, I feel better in a heavy high clearance truck.

Keep it in perspective folks. Bottom line is we are talking about a chunk of steel and plastic with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to point B. The rude you are defending to the death is going to a pile of scrap metal in the junk yard soon and you will have long forgotten it. This thread has had a long run; it would be a shame to lock it down because folks can't act like adults and treat each other with some respect.

I have never understood the level of passion people have over car talk....
lets go with that.
I ended my involvement in this little argument for good with my post about having the tow strap and telling NW boarder to have fun and drive safe.



snowolf, im glad you showed up. Im eagerly awaiting a response to that pm I sent you
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:32 AM   #1162 (permalink)
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Yep! Not ignoring you; just spent a week in the sun down in my home state of Arizona! Three days ago I was hiking in the desert in 95 degree weather; now I am dealing with 43 and rain....

haha i know. I put them together when I saw your picture thread with all of your shots of hiking through that canyon. That looked awesome! I honestly didn't know arizona was that beautiful looking either! Good time to go now though, when its not 1000000 degrees. Sucks you had to go back to 43 and rainy, not even good winter weather.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:37 PM   #1163 (permalink)
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Stoked about your getting the goodies! Kachina Peaks Wilderness has intense terrain and if you time it right, the snow can be epic. Just be careful and follow good BC protocol as the San Fransisco Peaks are the real deal and produce devastating avalanches. That one down Abinaeu Canyon a decade ago was biblical in it's destruction!

Inner Basin out to Lockett Meadow is the shit for splitboarding. My short term goal though it to drop off the north side of Humphrey's into Abinaeu Canyon. Have to arrange sled support for that one though!
I was surprised at how sick the snow was, considering:

a) I never knew AZ had legit backcountry riding (or any kind of riding, really)
b) how bad a snow year it was for everyone out West

My buddy knew the area well, and after I pointed him to your posts, he came up with a plan. 2 days later, we were snow-shoeing up with our boards in tow... I don't know the area and it was my first time riding in AZ, but I think it was on the same mountain as Snow Bowl, but maybe a different side? Anyways, it was a nice half-day adventure and the ride down was EPIC. So much untouched snow, a little crusty on top, but surprisingly fluffy underneath. The tree run section of our ride down was siiiiick! The hike out wasn't even bad either.

Anyways, not to digress from the topic of the thread, but thanks again for the insight, we had a great time.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:10 PM   #1164 (permalink)
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'12 Rubi w/6-speed & tow package. Hardtop keeps me toasty in the winter. It's my 2nd Wrangler; I keep coming back because I love 'em.


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Running a Toyota Rav4 4WD never got stuck. Even in Quebec after 26cm of fresh snow 4 people in the car + gear. Was still able to drive on the highway with out much trouble at 90kph. Picture was my kite boarding trip but it was the same setup with a trailer hitch snowboard rack.

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Running a Toyota Rav4 4WD never got stuck. Even in Quebec after 26cm of fresh snow 4 people in the car + gear. Was still able to drive on the highway with out much trouble at 90kph. Picture was my kite boarding trip but it was the same setup with a trailer hitch snowboard rack.

I wanna get my wife one of these even though she thinks she just wants another civic when hers dies lol.
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I wanna get my wife one of these even though she thinks she just wants another civic when hers dies lol.
Came from a Civic DX to this the Rav4. The Civic was stolen, only reason I got car lol. Civic are okay for city driving but if you got lots of things to bring lots of things or just want to drive though anything but deep mud I highly recommend this car. It sits much taller and all round more comfortable.
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Came from a Civic DX to this the Rav4. The Civic was stolen, only reason I got car lol. Civic are okay for city driving but if you got lots of things to bring lots of things or just want to drive though anything but deep mud I highly recommend this car. It sits much taller and all round more comfortable.
If I can trick her into moving to the mountains the car will be even easier hehe. It maybe our next car regardless.
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