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post #1261 of 1973 (permalink) Old 01-22-2013, 12:20 PM
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That doesn't make any sense, FWD is much better to drive in winter conditions instead of AWD. With AWD the back of your car starts slipping if you even give a little gas in a turn (in the winter). You can't believe how many BMW's and Audi's I see around here who got of the road by slipping. If you can drive with ADW in the winter, the better for you. But if you aren't that experienced with driving, FDW is much better to start with in the winter. ADW owns, but in the winter I would rather have a FDW then AWD, or even better just give me a quattro
Ummm, what?
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Ummm, what?
FDW is better then ADW in the winter..
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FDW is better then ADW in the winter..
Okay, I'm going to chalk this conversation up to language barrier. I think we need some definitions:

FWD = front-wheel-drive
AWD = all-wheel-drive
RWD = rear-wheel-drive


quattro = AWD

AWD = quattro > FWD > RWD in the winter.

Are we on the same page now, or are you still saying that front-wheel-drive is better than all-wheel-drive in the winter?
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Ummm, what?
I think he's trying to say that FWD is easier for new drivers than AWD, due to the fact that you can never over power the rear tires when they can't be powered.

This theory is flawed however, as with FWD you'd trying to both steer and power the car with the same wheels. You'll reach their traction limits much sooner than if the power is spread out through 4 wheels. Also most FWD cars don't have an LSD, so it's one wheel drive...
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That doesn't make any sense, FWD is much better to drive in winter conditions instead of AWD. With AWD the back of your car starts slipping if you even give a little gas in a turn (in the winter). You can't believe how many BMW's and Audi's I see around here who got of the road by slipping. If you can drive with ADW in the winter, the better for you. But if you aren't that experienced with driving, FDW is much better to start with in the winter. ADW owns, but in the winter I would rather have a FDW then AWD, or even better just give me a quattro
That's cause people don't know how to drive. And don't even think about saying you can't drift and control oversteer in awd. Straight up not true

Assuming you know how to drive in the snow,

Awd>fwd>rwd

Nothing > ice. So Those people in awd cars who are still spinning out should get driving lessons.

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I think he's trying to say that FWD is easier for new drivers than AWD, due to the fact that you can never over power the rear tires when they can't be powered.

This theory is flawed however, as with FWD you'd trying to both steer and power the car with the same wheels. You'll reach their traction limits much sooner than if the power is spread out through 4 wheels. Also most FWD cars don't have an LSD, so it's one wheel drive...
I'm not sure what he was trying to say. This part confused me too because he says that "AWD owns" yet he would rather have FWD or better yet quattro, which is AWD:

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ADW owns, but in the winter I would rather have a FDW then AWD, or even better just give me a quattro
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Thanks for the language solution, I'm from belgium so I'm not that good with english.. I thought you ment RWD with AWD..

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AWD = quattro > FWD > RWD in the winter.
That's what I ment, I accidentally confused AWD with RWD.. You guys are right then, sorry for the problem

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Thanks for the language solution, I'm from belgium so I'm not that good with english.. I thought you ment RWD with AWD..



That's what I ment, I accidentally confused AWD with RWD.. You guys are right then, sorry for the problem
No problem, just needed clarification.
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08 Taco. Stick shift or bust IMO. 4x4 limited slip diff. I just need power windows and locks and I'm golden for life.
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That doesn't make any sense, FWD is much better to drive in winter conditions instead of AWD. With AWD the back of your car starts slipping if you even give a little gas in a turn (in the winter). You can't believe how many BMW's and Audi's I see around here who got of the road by slipping. If you can drive with ADW in the winter, the better for you. But if you aren't that experienced with driving, FDW is much better to start with in the winter. ADW owns, but in the winter I would rather have a FDW then AWD, or even better just give me a quattro
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Thanks for the language solution, I'm from belgium so I'm not that good with english.. I thought you ment RWD with AWD..



That's what I ment, I accidentally confused AWD with RWD.. You guys are right then, sorry for the problem
haha glad to see we got that squared away. But yes RWD blows lots in the snow and ice.

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