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Old 12-26-2013, 06:31 PM   #1411 (permalink)
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:34 PM   #1412 (permalink)
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Cool thread. I just got a 3rd car purely for snow trips/winter driving and it handles like a dream in the white stuff:



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Old 02-26-2014, 07:44 PM   #1413 (permalink)
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^ That's what I'm eyeing for when I can, um... afford any vehicle at all. Which will be in 50 years. That or a CR-V.

Currently, "my" vehicle is my friend's CR-V.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:22 PM   #1414 (permalink)
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^ That's what I'm eyeing for when I can, um... afford any vehicle at all. Which will be in 50 years. That or a CR-V.

Currently, "my" vehicle is my friend's CR-V.
For what it's worth, I'd take any Subaru over a CR-V purely because the AWD system on the CR-Vs that have it is reportedly pretty suspect and doesn't work as well as Subarus/Audis/etc... something about the way it engages in snow.

Do a quick search around Honda forums and you'll see a bunch of discussions about it that can give you more detail.

If you do get a pre-2003 Subaru though, make sure the head gasket has been dealt with because the 2.5-litre engines LOVE to eat them. Other than that, they're great snow cars.
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For what it's worth, I'd take any Subaru over a CR-V purely because the AWD system on the CR-Vs that have it is reportedly pretty suspect and doesn't work as well as Subarus/Audis/etc... something about the way it engages in snow.

Do a quick search around Honda forums and you'll see a bunch of discussions about it that can give you more detail.

If you do get a pre-2003 Subaru though, make sure the head gasket has been dealt with because the 2.5-litre engines LOVE to eat them. Other than that, they're great snow cars.
Oh, cool, thanks for the advice!
I know they make CR-Vs with 4WD, I would probably go for that instead of AWD. But I'm far more inclined towards the Subarus since I've seen so many on the mountain.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:51 PM   #1416 (permalink)
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Subaru <3. My foz(and miata), my brothers GC wagon, and his GF's sedan.

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Old 02-26-2014, 10:56 PM   #1417 (permalink)
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I know they make CR-Vs with 4WD, I would probably go for that instead of AWD. But I'm far more inclined towards the Subarus since I've seen so many on the mountain.
Generally vehicles won't be offered in both 4WD and AWD versions. AWD is what you'll find on CRVs, RAV4s, Subarus, Celica Alltracs, etc.

4WD is what you'll find on 4Runners, pickups, etc.

The main difference is that usually 4WD will come with a selectable transfer case (4 hi, 4 low, 2 hi). The transfer case usually locks the front and rear drivetrain, and that combined with some form of lcoking/limited slip front and rear diffs can actually result in a vehicle that will drive all 4 wheels.

AWD systems vary but generally offer some sort of torque splitting centre diff, and sometimes LSDs in one or both front/rear diffs.

For snow driving, there's basically no difference between 4WD and AWD, and the tires and driver make a larger difference than either system. For off-roading, 4WD > AWD any day...
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:35 PM   #1418 (permalink)
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I don't really have a designated snow car since I'm here in SoCal so I just my daily driver. 2014 subaru STI sedan
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:36 AM   #1419 (permalink)
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Generally vehicles won't be offered in both 4WD and AWD versions. AWD is what you'll find on CRVs, RAV4s, Subarus, Celica Alltracs, etc.

4WD is what you'll find on 4Runners, pickups, etc.

The main difference is that usually 4WD will come with a selectable transfer case (4 hi, 4 low, 2 hi). The transfer case usually locks the front and rear drivetrain, and that combined with some form of lcoking/limited slip front and rear diffs can actually result in a vehicle that will drive all 4 wheels.

AWD systems vary but generally offer some sort of torque splitting centre diff, and sometimes LSDs in one or both front/rear diffs.

For snow driving, there's basically no difference between 4WD and AWD, and the tires and driver make a larger difference than either system. For off-roading, 4WD > AWD any day...
Haha, the listings I was looking at a while back must have been wrong then
Or posted by people who didn't know the difference. I know the difference, that's why I thought it came with either. Didn't know that was impossible or unlikely.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:37 AM   #1420 (permalink)
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The thing with AWD is it's only AWD until one wheel starts to slip. Then all the power goes to the wheel that's slipping, and you end up with 1 wheel drive. Unless the vehicle had lockable or limited slip differentials which are extremely important things to look for. Just because a vehicle has an AWD badge on it, doesn't mean it's actually going to perform when it gets slippery.
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