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post #231 of 1985 (permalink) Old 11-30-2009, 08:40 AM
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I won't argue looks... though I think my GTI is beautiful, the rest of the VW line IS pretty lame. I don't particularly like anything that Audi makes. Aside from the nifty headlights, they are uninspiring.

Also, I think your reliability impressions are dated. Both Audi and particularly VW have improved greatly in the past few years. The impression that reliability suddenly tanks after 50/60K is simply because that is when warranty ends and people have to start footing the bill. If it ended and 30K or 100K people would say the same.

Either way, I opted for the 100K as I've had the "pleasure" of maintaining an out of warranty Saab.


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my friend has a newer(2007) vdub GTI and hes been driving that since he got it about three years ago and its still running perfectly fine. it's also been driven back and forth from vt a good amount of times. i dont know much about cars or if that applies to all vdubs but his def seems to be decent quality.


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Yep, this is the internet, which is why you are acting like a keyboard tough guy right now. Unfortunately for you, a quick search reveals that most of Audi's and VW's most popular cars share platforms, drivetrains, engines, transmissions, electrical, etc etc etc parts with each other, are manufactured at the same plants by the same company, and are equally as unreliable.

Subaru, Toyota, and Honda make the most reliable consumer cars, period. VWs are garbage from the get go, Audis (generally) are after 50-60,000 miles.

But hell, I don't buy German sissy sedans so what do I know?!
you didn't answer my questions, and your large assumptions are still wrong.
Did a vw kill ur dog?
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Well, google is literally on point with their timing. I thought I would make it 6 not the 7.5hrs they said but the last 40 miles is a one lane "cut-through town" road so you go from 55 to 35 constantly, which constitutes the extra time it takes.

I Drove to the Berkshires first (had to take care of something there) then from the Berkshires to Base lodge was 4 hrs and 48 minutes.
From my house to the Berkshires was about an hour and a 45. So google was on point.
I'll tell you one thing though, the drive was not as bad as I thought. It is just such a beautiful drive that you forget how long you are on the road for.
We all definitely have to do a 3 day weekend there this season. They have 8 Peaks!!!

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you didn't answer my questions, and your large assumptions are still wrong.
Did a vw kill ur dog?
Heres why I didnt answer your questions:
1-You're wrong and its silly you're still typing
2-Those questions are erroneous. The length a company has been in business for has nothing to do with the quality of its product. If you were educated you'd understand correlation/causation. This involves neither.
3-You have not offered anything to dispute the facts that AUDIs and VWs are made by the same company and share many components and are rated just as bad, with VW maybe a little bit worse. Just look at the audi and vw techs on this thread openly admitting it

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The length a company has been in business for has nothing to do with the quality of its product. If you were educated you'd understand correlation/causation. This involves neither.

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

Is is safe to say that if a company makes "X car" at year 5 that product will be of inferior quality to "X car" at year say 20? Or any product for that matter. (assuming morons are not running the company and they actually followed the "normal" progession model for a 20 year old business)

Even if morons were running the a given company, the length of time in biz would still matter, b/c the longer they have been running the worse they would get no

I hate to say it but any educated and wise business man would know that how long a company has been doing business DEFINITELY has an impact on product quality. I think its even safe to say a big difference. I mean think about it we are all buyers of reputation, and rep is built on experience which takes time in the biz....Just my 2 cents

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Just to play Devil's Advocate:

Is is safe to say that if a company makes "X car" at year 5 that product will be of inferior quality to "X car" at year say 20? Or any product for that matter. (assuming morons are not running the company and they actually followed the "normal" progession model for a 20 year old business)

Even if morons were running the a given company, the length of time in biz would still matter, b/c the longer they have been running the worse they would get no

I hate to say it but any educated and wise business man would know that how long a company has been doing business DEFINITELY has an impact on product quality. I think its even safe to say a big difference. I mean think about it we are all buyers of reputation, and rep is built on experience which takes time in the biz....Just my 2 cents
haha thanks JBlaze, in your own way you just proved my point. First off VWs and AUDIs have HORRIBLE REPUTATIONS FOR RELIABILITY, if you don't want to check out the thousands of sites available(consumer reports, motor trend, kbb, Auto Buyers's guide, etc)just read back through the thread and you'll see quite a few testimonials. 2nd, NO, the length a company has been making cars doesnt have an effect on their quality unless they are constantly tweaking, engineering, redesigning, and manufacturing MORE EFFECTIVELY than the other guy. THat said, VW put out its first car in 1937 whereas Subaru put out their first in 1954...Hmmm, by your logic VW vehicles should be much better than Subaru's with all those extra years as an automaker, right? Yeah, kinda puts a hole in that theory, sorry.

THE BOTTOM LINEis that VW reliability does not even come close to Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infiniti, Subaru and in the last few years, Chrysler and many GM cars. Any website involved with rating car reliability from consumers and/or experts(including the vw and audi techs on this thread) will tell you the same. ARE you really trying to debate that?!
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Bottom line....you should subscribe to Consumer Reports..... I don't think anyone said they were as reliable as toyota / sub.....that doesn't mean they are "horrible".

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Heres why I didnt answer your questions:
1-You're wrong and its silly you're still typing
2-Those questions are erroneous. The length a company has been in business for has nothing to do with the quality of its product. If you were educated you'd understand correlation/causation. This involves neither.
3-You have not offered anything to dispute the facts that AUDIs and VWs are made by the same company and share many components and are rated just as bad, with VW maybe a little bit worse. Just look at the audi and vw techs on this thread openly admitting it

Hahaha little Richie just got embarrassed again

When did I say anything about quality of products ?
Yes, they share components... But they aren't the exact same company and are not all made under the same roof. What vw correlates to the a4, a6, a5, a8? How much componentry does a q and a t-reg share? How much of a bentley conti gt is made by bentley?
Lol at u thinking ur winning this internet battle.
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